CSMorgaon,

I have already said in an earlier post that he Sunday Mail allegations are not true and Libel. I have never abused a child in any way.

How am I not answering when I have said the same in previous posts.

No I never avoided the alleged crime by leaving Arkansas. as no crime has been committed.

The chemicals are not precursor chemicals in the UK and are still not listed as precursor chemicals.

We shipped Iodine, As Iodine for medical use and we shipped Red Phosphorus with, For Metal works which is one of it's uses.

Every package of up to 40 chemicals had a return address and the chemicals were labelled in accordance with UK law which included the UN # our return address: our VAT # a product safety sheet and UN approved packaging.

Mr Morgan you say we made a lot of money on these products, if we hd taken $132,000 from the sales over 3 years that is not all profit far from it. I hardly consider that to be drug money.

The US in documents I have, have said that for the most part customers had either 1 or 2 orders not many orders that would have been suspicions.

We only sold small amounts packaged in 100 Gram containers.

We only took credit cards for our sales.

The chemicals are not Illegal in the US or Illegal to sell to the US from The UK but are listed chemicals in the US.

I had a duty to know what all the chemicals I sold had a potential to do and had thousands of combinations on my computers to ascertain the livelihood of misuse. I have also said before in this thread 11 chemicals are used to make Meth and we had no participation with meth labs.

I must drop my girls at school now and will answer any questions when I return.

If this forum is anything to go by, the chance of a fair trial in the USA is even more unlikely.

Brian Howes
If you had of read my previous post nobody gives a damn
I have fought outright criminal behaviour for twelve years in relation to the Illegal removal of my son
The boy crying until he was physically sick then thinking that he was going to get into trouble for that etc etc
Bloke, This is Child Abuse and still noone gives a damn
This is just a yarn spot where people yarn on without ever making a change or difference
I send my best wishes and hope things work out well for you but that is about all you will end up with from here
I just feel for the hurt that this will have on your kids

Thanks Bloke all the best to you and wife and your kids
Take care from Dave

graysond49@yahoo.com

Well. Having perused the day's posts here ... it's a poser! And these are passionate matters. I'm tempted to try to think outside the square, but there are some matters that are not up for debate--though they should be.
It's true enough I s'pose, what dwg says, (without, for once, his bitter refrain, "have a good life"), OLO's a yarn spot and we're a bunch of misfits.
I agree with much of Antiseptic's declamation. But I agree with Examinator too, and CJ and others.
At bottom though I think that we have to hold our judicial system to account, and question our conditioning, which the justice system reinforces. As Forrest exasperatedly says, "A kiddy-fiddler! Suspend all judgement. Switch brain off. Must be guilty, because Polanski definitely is. Guilty, guilty, guilty."
When I was younger, I drank and drove many times, but luckily I never killed anyone. Have I now any right to scream "lock the bastard up?" when a drink driver runs someone down? But for the grace of God go I. And if we are honest, excluding whatever crimes any of us "Have" committed, what might we not have done had the opportunity presented itself? Let he who is without (potential) sin etc.
The chemicals and the other charge are most definitely separate issues. More importantly, and this is becoming a refrain of mine I know, we are all capable of rationalising away our pangs of conscience, or even our manifest evils. When there's a quid to be made we probably all have our price where the morality gets elided.
And what of a "country's" ethics? What kind of example has the US and its allies given their citizens recently, or at any time in history? There is no national precedent for ethical behaviour!
None of which is to presume the Howes' guilt or innocence. But we ought to take pause.
You have my sympathy dwg, but not much use I'm afraid.

Squeers
You said it
Thanks anyway for the"You have my sypathy dwg, but not use I'm afraid"
Bloke?(correct me if I'm wrong)
Every one has a skeleton in the closet We're human aren't we
I have probably walked the craziest maddest basta/d of a life as any
For want of a better description about the same levels as that king fella in the book by the same name but this is where I am not real sure about this god fella or I have worn out my favours with him
I have had all this bad life but I'm running out of time if this god fella plans on this king bit
Justice
I was once told by an old fella comprised of three things
Logics, Equality and Morality
If any one of these were missing then you could not have a just law
Then you must surely offend or prejudice some of thier basic rights and to do so requires a damn good reason
I.E. referenda
Justice must not only be done it must be seen to be done also

Thanks anyway
Have a good life
From Dave

Squeers
Sorry left out the word much
and meant to sign off with
Have a bad life then
From Dave

Examinator:"Any country can request, all else is up to the UK."

As I said, it's about whether the UK should allow that to happen with so little effort made to comply with basic principles of procedural fairness. Personally, I'm of the view that for them to act as they have is pusillanimous at best.

We have already had in this country several examples of people being thrown to the US wolves for political rather than legal motives. US courts arrogate to themselves the right to simply ignore judgements made in other countries and their "justice" system is even more broken than their medical nightmare.

Examinator:"The case is about what Mr Howe allegedly did"

And the reason there is concern about that is because of what other people did with what he sold them perfectly legally in his own country. I sell timber, which can conceivably be used as a club - wood has been used in that way for thousands of years. Am I responsible for ensuring that none of my clients use it that way?

Examinator:"Irrelevant and false reasoning."

LOL. You'll have to do better than that, old chap. Bald statements, especially ones that make unsustainable claims, such as the one I quoted of yours, simply make you look foolish.

Now, do tell me why you think my reasoning is false, won't you?

Belly:"Antiseptic surely you agree you went too far in that post?"

Not at all, mate. I've said all of that before and more and I stand by it. Apart from yourself, have a look at the people attacking Mr Howes - useless teat-suckers one and all.

If his business was not proper, why did the UK not shut him down? As they didn't, it was obviously OK by them.

If our countries are going to support the primacy of US law, why on earth are we bothering to have countries at all? Let's all just accept the inevitable and start afresh as part of the US.

If it wasn't so sad it'd be a joke.