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Posted by BrianHowes, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 4:03:58 AM
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Hi Brian.
Sorry to hear about your situation. One thing I've been wondering about since I first heard about it is whether or not you're aware that the chemicals you sold are used as precursor chemicals in the manufacture of methamphetamine in the USA? Also, have you sold any to Australian customers? Posted by CJ Morgan, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 6:49:00 AM
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Yes we had many Australian customers, the US say in our indictment at least one meth lab was found in Australia. My wife and I have made a request to the Australian Embassy in London to be extradited to Australia in order for evidence to be shown in our case and to get a fair hearing but we have not had a reply.
Posted by BrianHowes, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 8:09:10 AM
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Thanks for the reply, Brian. However, given the grief that your products have undoubtedly caused in both Australia and the USA, I think that your actions in selling your chemicals to criminals in those jurisdictions are unconscionable.
I think you should face the music. What makes you think you can't get a fair trial in the US? Posted by CJ Morgan, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 9:26:53 AM
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I need to post again as I never answered the last question in full, We did not know that Meth labs had been buying our chemicals for anything other than the what they were sold for. Iodine was for medical use and Red Phosphorus was for fireworks and has many uses.
I hope that has answered the question. I feel I should also say I was working with anti Terrorism organisations in the UK and the company was trading in a completely legal manor. The only Illegal things going on was the raids on our property and much more for another time if there is any left. Posted by BrianHowes, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 9:32:51 AM
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Hello Mr Morgan,
We did not knowingly sell these chemicals to drug makers. In the US there is about a 97% plea bargain rate. US plea bargain rates 2008 http://wp.me/paXuz-os No Bail. 3 Years on remand while our 5 kids go into care before we even get a trial and probably adopted. The presumption of innocence has been removed in extradition cases as just fighting extradition and before fighting it the US brand you a Fugitive in all court papers. Prosecutor Threats: http://bit.ly/252DLr The US do not need evidence to extradite and they are using my wife as a bargaining tool. Even the High Court has said we had a Legal Business in the UK. I would hope that Australia if they have found Meth Labs as in our US indictment and other documents say, The government of Australia would want to extradite my wife and I in order to punish us for such a terrible crime. The difference is that Australia would need the evidence the US say they have and surely have shared during the joint investigation. We would be confident that Australia would want to treat all crimes against it's country very seriously. We fear the US and it's corruption we only expect justice from Australia Posted by BrianHowes, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 9:52:10 AM
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Below is an extract from a newspaper story in Scotland and at the bottom of the page is a link to the full article.
At Brian’s final appeal hearing at Edinburgh High Court on Tuesday he will discover if he will be remanded to be sent to the US for a trial that could mean he never sees his five children – including Cassidy, just three weeks old – again. His wife could follow – despite the fact that the couple have not broken any UK laws.
Brian, 45, said he was feeling “very stressed, disappointed and worried about my children and my wife”.
He added: “I have been told it is the final hearing. My QC has told me not to drive my car there. I believe they will make sure I am remanded.” If Brian loses his appeal, his wife would also be sent to the US after her hearing and their children – Leela, three, Ellie, six, Bethaney, 10, Denny, 11, and Cassidy – could be taken into care before their parents even face a trial.
If the couple, from Bo’ness, West Lothian, are found guilty, they would be sent to the Maricopa County Jail, housed in tents in the Arizona desert, where inmates are forced to work in chain gangs in 40C heat.
Brian said: “We’ve been through hell just thinking about it. My wife won’t survive the trip. I’m devastated for the children. I can’t think of a much bigger travesty of justice.”
A psychologist has said Kerry-Ann, 31, is likely to commit suicide if imprisoned again. Her husband, who is under a curfew and must report to his local police station twice a day, also says he will have nothing to live for if he loses his appeal.
http://extradition.org.uk/2009/05/26/judgement-day-for-couple-who-face-us-jail-for-selling-chemicals-online/