'Drugs like that made with these products are nearly as low as any one can get, the world would be better without those who make them.'

Come now lets not get hasty.

I find that this case has quite a few questions
that need answering.

Firstly, if you're going to go into business selling
drugs online - wouldn't you bother to investigate
as to whom you were legally allowed to sell?
Especially regarding overseas markets.
And, wouldn't you also find out - how the drugs
you're supplying can be used?
To me that would seem a rather basic thing to do.
If you're selling certain ingredients that could go
into making WMDs (Weapons of Mass Destruction), you
then can't claim innocence that you sold people those
ingredients - but you didn't know what they were going
to do with them.

Secondly, drugs are a serious problem worldwide -
but especially in the US - and would a US court really bother
to prosecute petty offenders? This would consume an
enormous amount of police effort, it would clog the jails
and courts, at a time when their system can scarcely
cope with more serious offenders. They wouldn't do it,
unless the illegal nature of these pursuits they felt
stimulated the activities of organized crime,
which, ever since Prohibition,
has depended for their exitence on
supplying illegal goods and service, such as narcotics,
to others who are willing to pay for them.
Drugs - with organized crime is now a $100-billion-a-year
enterprise, comparable in size to the American steel industry.

Extradition without evidence from the UK/US?
Someone obviously thinks they have a case - otherwise
as another poster asked - why isn't the UK Government
doing more to defend their citizens? And again, why
is the US targeting these "innocent" people?
To what end?

My deep regret is that there are children involved.

I'm with Belly on this one.

While Brian and his family are clearly in a horrible legal situation, I have no doubt that there's much more to the story than is possible to ascertain from the links provided. It's obviously not that there's no evidence - rather that Brian's defence hasn't been provided with it for the purpose of fighting his extradition.

I have enough faith in the rule of law and in agreements between civilised countries like the UK and USA to presume that the American authorities would have to have provided their British counterparts with sufficient evidence for them to consider his extradition. Further, it wouldn't be that he's not facing charges - rather that those charges are to be heard before an American court of law.

Brian obviously has a strong defence in that it is legal to sell the precursor chemicals in the UK. However, if he chooses to sell his wares into markets where they are illegal, then I'm still inclined to the view that he should face a court there. I must say that I'm sceptical about his claims that he was unaware of the reprehensible uses to which they would be put.

I will also follow the case with interest, but I'm disinclined to get excited about any supposed procedural injustice towards Brian until I know more about the detail of the case. Having said that, I agree that it's very sad that kids are going to be hurt - as they so very often are when drug kingpins are finally brought to account.

I should add that I'm of the view that all 'recreational' drugs should be legal, but under strict regulation. That would remove the motivation for illegal manufacture of drugs and therefore of the supply of requisite chemicals illicitly. If, for example, methamphetamine was available under prescription, then the entire market for the clandestine labs where they are manufactured would disappear - and people like Brian wouldn't find themselves in his current predicament.

However, that's not the case now - so, as Belly said, if you can't do the time you shouldn't do the crime.

Houelly older men like me, [don't feel old] once have been young men.
No angel in my youth I took a better quality of drugs to stay awake and drive trucks.
And forever know the damage they can do.
Having fun, yes that is what even now drivers tell each other, or giving your self a clout, taking drugs that you are not quite sure of, is not funny.
And for every one who can handle them ten can not.
I want to highlight these products, look at them again, are used for far more than drug manufacture.
And I remain convinced those who sell drugs like this are lessor humans.
Cash, the need for it, is killing kids and adults every day.
At least I can contribute as one who once, a long time ago stopped having fun, stopped having a clout, and never killed anyone while out of it.

I don’t really know where to start: Mr Morgan you have made several points some of which are already covered but I will cover all your comments again.

Selling legitimate and completely legal chemical worldwide from any country that they are legal is not a criminal offence.

A comparison would be the USA selling guns to the UK which they do and are the cause of many deaths and other related crime, there is never a mention of the gun seller in the USA being indicted to face trial in the UK. The USA also sells many other items to the UK that is not legal here but there is no sniff of an extradition.

Mikk To answer your question about international trade how is it reasonable to know every law in every country? The US citizen does not check that guns are legal or not before shipping to the UK, Here in Scotland 40,000 of your dollars of guns off all kinds was found with a person about to do a US style college massacre but is the seller being perused? No!

Examinator you presume that all laws are fair, you also presume evidence is given to the UK government but not to my wife and I.

It is clear from the US / UK treaty that no evidence is needed which means you are starting from the point of guilty as in our case we were remanded without evidence and that is not disputed.

I spoke to a DEA agent on the case who told me that they were concerned about the chemicals coming into the USA not any conspiracy.
Continued!