I Brian still think you avoided answering the C J Morgan question.
And that you tried to change the direction of the thread.
Did you change states to avoid that charge?
bu##s@@it that no crime had been commited will not do.
Now go back a few posts.
Read my view written words can show hidden things as clearly as body language.
Ask why some leap headlong into subjects that even a sniff of harm to a child or woman is highlighted.
Ask your self why?
Yes I agree the laws seems extremely bad, I understand it was not aimed at other than terrorists.
That maybe it is being miss used.
That you can present a case saying you did nothing wrong.
Bloke I however have not been convinced you did not know it was against the laws of America to sell these products.
Do the crime Brian do the time.

Brian
As I have said before you will not change the world by posting on this site
Half don't want anymore than talk and the other Half don't give a st/ff
I have posted my e-mail address if you are interested in seeing injustice and outright corruption
As long as it is not happening to some one else then the people don't care or give a damn
Simple as it is
Try to have a good life
From Dave
graysond49@yahoo.com

CJ, Belly, all.

Mr Howe is right in a sense what ever happened in Arkansas largely irrelevant to his extradition on supplying drugs charges per se.

I do wonder what his expectation of an OLO posting were. While some politicians or activists connect to this site, it is when all is said and done, a discussion site .

Was he expecting us to get fired up and take up his cause? i.e. petitioning for Australia to get involved with an extradition in which we have NO standing.

If so rather than present it in a fashion to inspire confidence he has opted for a series of emotional triggers (ET). Those of us who have political connections know while ETs may ultimately be part of sales job to the masses, they simply don't work when trying to sell to pollies.

Had his case ultimately being so bound up in international legalese he might have had some success by choosing the right talk back host.
Then again, most would be disinterested because it isn't directly Australia's problem.

Even his warning about us being next, is relatively a moot point as far as he is concerned.

All the Bovine excrement aside, it would appear, that he is being made an example of by the US. Notwithstanding there is nothing that can be done by us that will help.

Likewise it is pointless discussing what he should have done...he torpedoed those ships some time back.

All we can do is with him luck and suggest that rather than dwell on his victim status, spend his energies working out his defence, if the worst happens.

I might also suggest that if his fighting extradition if successful, that wont 'clean the slate' so to speak, with the US. He would be wise to be very careful where he or his wife go outside UK and what he does in future. Sadly publicity can be a double sided sword, the US may make him a bigger target.

Belly:"I however have not been convinced you did not know it was against the laws of America to sell these products."

That's not relevant - he was operating in Scotland, not in the US. IfUS authorities didn't want his stuff beintg sold, they should have confiscated it at the border or perhaps sought an injunction in his own country against his sending it to theirs. Mr Howes didn't have a shop in the US, he labelled all the orders correctly, he says, so if one of the agencies in the police state that is the US stuffed up, it's their problem, not his.

Must I be aware, as a business owner who may trade overseas, of all of the regulations in every country I may deal with, or should I be able to rely on the fact that I am acting legally in my own country and leave it to the authorites in the other country to enforce their own rules?

No one has had a go at that yet, mostly because the useless teat-suckers got involved and did their pursed-lip best to derail the discussion, as always.

Empty vessels...

Examinator:"All that was required was Mr Howe to point out that there was no substance to the claim. "

Which he did.

Examinator:"I ignored the emotional side issues"

LOL. Old chap, you ARE an "emotional side issue"

I agree Examinator.

I find it an interesting point to note that Forrest displayed the same degree of outrage at the procedure for the extradition of Polanski to the US - a case where we are clearer regarding whether or not a crime was committed.

My feeling has been that the issue we should all be debating is the ethics of extradition - however, I have been told by Forrest I should start my own thread on this topic. Frankly, I am not well enough to facilitate an entire topic to my preferred standards. I cannot understand why extradition cannot be discussed here. If anything, Brian Howes may learn something - he has nothing else to gain from publicity here, as Examinator has pointed out.

Given that Forrest wishes to focus solely on the Howes and not discuss the process whereby the Howes and many others have been caught, there is very little to add to this thread.

Fractelle,

All emotions aside then!

First I would say that if no crime has been committed and no evidence has been shown Extradition is surely Illegal?

If you want to speak of extradition it's fine with me, I have no problem with that.

If I use emotions in my posts it is because I am Human and years of persecution and then extradition, it makes it hard not to show them in posts, but I will.

I do not expect support from this forum unless it is freely given on the matters being raised.

Antiseptic

I do not expect your support either as I am on this forum and I really do not expect to gain anything from it.

I do thank you for pointing out the fact I answered the question by CSMorgan and others.

I hold information that has never been shared with anybody about certain issues that relate to all of you here. I do not even know if it can be shared but it does effect you or could effect you in the future.

I am not expecting miracles from a forum as I have over 50 websites and just one of them has about one third of the visitors here daily.

I fight my case and until I find different, I fight alone.

I hope I did not add any emotion to this post as it was not my intention.

I like to discuss matters of concern and that is the only reason I am here.

If you don't like me or what I post you do not need to be involved. But I have made your forum more popular as many US agencies will be watching right now.

examinator,

I think you need to look up the recipe for Meth it is not made with 2 chemicals but 11 different chemicals not drugs and a lot of equipment used in laboratories.

I find you rather rational! I hope I am not being emotional by saying that.