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Extradition without evidence from the UK / US

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Well C J Morgan that is interesting news.
I note at this early hour Brian Howe's is logged in, before me.
But as yet no comment.
While I may well be wrong I am not convinced we need to get involved.
My stand against those who profit from drugs, destroying lives, is solid still.
We should imprison all who trade knowingly in death.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 22 October 2009 2:43:03 AM
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Yes, CJ & Belly,
this is disturbing news. Separate issues, and yet if true, I find whay sympathy I have, draining away.
Posted by Squeers, Thursday, 22 October 2009 2:50:03 AM
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Mr Morgan,

I think that you raise a question that needs to be answered, The Sunday Mail story by Norman Silvester is untrue and is subject to Liable and Defamation.

I never assaulted anybody especially a child, I have five young girls here happy and living at home.

If the USA want me for sex crimes then I would like to see this evidence as it would be a bar to the current extradition.

I left the USA in 1994 to move back to my home town of Middlesbrough.

The Sunday Mail story was an attempt to stop me from making formal complaints against senior police officers in connection with our case and corruption, and to discredit that process and the extradition itself.

I might add that a senior police officer has resigned and is under criminal investigation for giving false information for my wife and my remand and getting warrants based on false information tp raid our premisses.

If you look at the Sunday Mail a week later you will see that the same reporter says I am being extradited for the same offence that has never happened.

Now regarding Middlesbrough I have to say that I was in a civil case that also has Illegal police involvement and I do not feel that it is needed to bring up here. But what I will say is I have five Daughters aged 5 months to 12 years living here with me and my wife who are all happy.

I have received many threats during this extradition from the police and do not intend to to defend any further a false Sunday Mail story that no other paper would repeat.

I was getting a lot a good media attention at the time and the Justice Minister was coming under increasing pressure, and it might be worth mentioning that the same paper had done several reasonable stories.

Mr Morgan surely you do not believe all you read in the papers? As if you did you would see all the other stories that support my family.

This is also off topic.
Posted by BrianHowes, Thursday, 22 October 2009 3:09:40 AM
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Nobody should be held for 214 days without a trial.We have to realise that terrorist laws can be used against anyone of us be we be guilty or innocent.

This is why groups are popping up like "Freedom Watch" hosted by Judge Andrew Napolitano.It is about time we all woke from our slumber of apathy.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 22 October 2009 5:41:11 AM
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Shame, shame, shame.

I wish you the very best of luck, Mr Howes, I suspect you're going to need it.

As the response here has shown, there is a certain sanctimonious class of people, mostly those who've spent all of their lives sucking on some public tit or other rather than ever actually having the guts to take a risk and get into business, who are always lookng for something to purse their lips over and nod sagely about while taking their interminable coffee-breaks and pretending they're doing something valuable. An entrepreneur such as yourself is simply beyond their understanding.

Pay them no mind, they're simply doing what they're good at - writng much while saying little.

The issues here are:
- whether the US should have the right to interfere without hindrance in the workings of the justice system of another country
- whether US Law can override the Law of other countries, especially when the country has an arguably better-functioning Legal system than the US
-whether a trader in one country can be held liable for a breach of the law committed by someone else in another country
-chemicals have more than one use. Methamphetamins cannot be made without water, nor can cannabis be grown. Should we therefore stop reticulating it to homes in case someone uses it for those purposes?

Most importantly, it raises the issue of detention and other "incidental" punishment as a result of procedural unfairness.

I've mentioned here many times the fact that I was prevented from seeing my kids for 7 motnths due to a mere untested or substantiated allegation of violence from ny ex-wife. The whole thing could have been dismissed at the first mention, since for 7 months there was no new evidence, but the police kept asking for deferrals.The matter was eventually dismissed, but my kids and I were never compensated for that lost time.

While I wish you luck, I'd prepare for the worst. Once the sausage machine starts, it's run by nobodies like the ones you've been reading here.
Posted by Antiseptic, Thursday, 22 October 2009 7:17:28 AM
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The Sunday Mail huh CJ? Interesting. Smells of desperation to me for someone like you to be quoting the Sunday Mail.

Nice summary of the issues antiseptic.
Posted by Houellebecq, Thursday, 22 October 2009 7:53:01 AM
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