Brian Howes
Where would you get the Idea that people in Australia would care any more than the people in the UK or US
I have fought outright criminal behaviour for twelve years of the removal of my son
Altering of Court File records, False representation, Collusion, perjury and lies, the Solicitor sacked by the parents turns up representing the child taking directions from DoCS, the child deprived of an education, Crying for his parents until he makes himself physically sick and the list goes on
Nobody gives a damn about that so why do you think Aussie cares anymore than others
If you want my e-mail address it is graysond49@yahoo.com

I wish you well and from what I have read it seems a sad case but well wishes is about all I can give and send

Thanks try to have a good life
From Dave

CJ Morgan

I understand every point you have made in your last posts. And I agree that a search into previous allegations against the Howes is not at all inspiring for their cause. I too find it difficult to sympathise with the Howes (their children of course are innocent and deserve support).

However, the instances of questionable uses of extradition by law agencies are as numerous as they are reprehensible. Anyone remember David Hicks? There is no doubt that US Law regards itself as beyond accountability - although in Hicks' case the then Australian Government was complicit with his detention in Guantanamo.

It is the methods used we must question and as I have tried to explain to Forrest there are far more heinous examples of arrest of definitively established innocents than the Howes - and much closer to home.

Antiseptic

- US interfering in the workings of the justice system of another country.

A. Is it? Any country can request, all else is up to the UK.

- US Law overriding the Law of other countries?

A. Same answer, subjective assertion

- A trader in one country held liable for a breach of the law committed by someone else in another country.

A The case is about what Mr Howe allegedly did. i.e. supplied banned chemicals across the US border, in which case the US has every right to request extradition.

- chemicals have more than one use. Methamphetamins cannot be made without water etc.?

A. Irrelevant and false reasoning.

- It raises the issue of detention and other "incidental" punishment as a result of procedural unfairness.

A. I'd agree except for "procedural unfairness" transpose “with slow procedures”.

NB Australia as a uninvolved country in the 'crime' has no "legal interest" or jurisdiction ( legal principal in all three countries). Our involvement without being officially asked by either country could be seen as interference in their justice systems ( international Law).

ALL
This case has significantly different legal principals with Hicks.

- he was an Aussie. We wanted him back
- his application for UK was wishful thinking too.
- There was no recognised third party country (Afghanistan) claiming jurisdiction.

This is a clear case of Mr Howe being charged for a extraditable crime in the US i.e. selling BANNED substances to a US citizen in the US. What that substance was is raises the crime to counter terrorism with and diplomacy (international agreements).

I have empathy for his children but HE chose this route.

While his past issues are strictly irrelevant, one wonders if
- The two aren't linked in some way.(at least in the minds of [Cheney's Home state?] and the US justice system).
- The real reason Mr Howe's resistance.

NB I am just speculating on motivations NOT ACCUSING anyone.

Brian, I have sympathy for your predicament, but your case doesn't seem clear cut enough to me to engender too much support at this stage I'm afraid.

I'd be interested to know the quantities you'd sold of the two chemicals used in the production of crystal meth. If they were considerable quantities, and I suspect they were to have attracted the heavy response they have, then I think it's a little disingenuous of you to plead complete innocence of any knowledge of their illegal usage.

You'd think exporting these chemicals for use in medicine, fireworks and sheep dip would entail very different invoice addresses to those being supplied, inadvertently or not, to illegal drug labs. And besides if the orders were large and regular as they very likely were, surely they should have sparked some questioning on your part.

Personally, I think anyone involved in a business selling chemicals needs to be totally aware and accountable for where they end up. A claim of all care and no responsibility doesn't quite cut it with me when it comes to chemicals like this I'm afraid, but I'm happy to stand corrected.

Bronwyn

Well reasoned as always.

I know from selling items on Ebay for shipment overseas that a customs declaration must be completed for display on the exterior of any package, which includes a description and any special handling that something like chemicals would require. Not having sold chemicals myself, I can only posit that chemicals would require more stringent declaration requirements than household items such as books or DVD's.

Forrest

If you would place the same amount of passion into the predicament of people like Leach and Brennan, I think I could take your concerns a little more seriously.

BTW, the use of Tiny URLs is simply a courtesy, other blog-sites than OLO actually provide a Tiny URL tool to shrink excessively long web-links.

Antiseptic surely you agree you went too far in that post?
Your pain at your problem is noted, even shared by most of us, me for sure.
Tell you one day of my work with fathers rolled and compacted by the system.
In your need to show us your pain you insulted all who disagreed with you.
In fact you found instant links to this case and yours that may not exist.
NEVER will I support ANYONE who hurts children.
You I no one here knows if Brian Howe's ever did.
But my view that I can not give support is my right, and you defame us, with your post.
Brian, if America wants you badly enough to lie, to corrupt police , to use media lies, then I fear for us all.
I am weary of 9/11 histrionics, conspiracy's, planed financial melt downs, Mate I am not changing my mind answer C J Morgans questions.
The written word sometimes like body language says much we think is hidden.
Good luck to you and family you well may need it