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Enlightened thought

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The principle remains wether you give criminals freedom or just punishment for their acts. If they demonstrate true remorse then mercy might be appropiate. But hatred is so ingraned in these people against the freedoms we cherish - for them to kill a Westerner is honourable.
Posted by Philo, Monday, 24 August 2009 4:13:48 PM
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By ”Defenceless people are forced to ignore their ideals and be realist to survive in a dog eat dog world”, I meant that if you are the weakling among a vicious group, it's no good pleading your case in terms of ethics or ideology; you must either cowtow or respond as ruthlessly "realistically" as the bully that mistreats you. Western capitalist foreign policy is based entirely on self-interest; divorced from its token humanitarian ideals, its actions in the world are pragmatic and unscrupulous--this applies to everyone and everything. The only way the Arab world, say, might be appeased is if consiliotory action served the interests of the dominant powers. The demeaned state cannot simply take what it feels it has every right to because it lacks the power, so it resorts in the end to the same viciousness of spirit that lurks beneath the rhetorical facade of western justice. Pleas for justice are like the plaint of cows in cattle trucks; not even pathetic; beside the point; which is the bottom line. Frustrated by this callous and despising indifference, and with no other avenue of appeal--their own professed values useless and naive--the exploited, dehumanised party acts accordingly, repaying viciousness with viciousness, indeed abominations that seem both justified and preferable to a mean existence beneath the table of an ogre.
Terrorism becomes a dogma, an end in itself.
And all could have been avoided if actions had been cautioned and tempered by genuine idealism.
Posted by Squeers, Monday, 24 August 2009 5:06:18 PM
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I believe they did the right thing by letting this murderer go home.
His family should not be punished any more than they already have been.

He is being punished enough by his previous prison time as well as slowly and painfully dying of prostate cancer.His is not the glorious death promised to those who kill in the name of their God.

Maybe his crazy comrades will see that the West are considerate people
and learn something from this action.
Posted by suzeonline, Monday, 24 August 2009 5:13:00 PM
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Bronwyn you miss judge me, I respect you and even agree sometimes.
Not on this subject, and not ever that I am bigoted against Islamists, not as much as they are bigoted against you and I at least.
Suzyonline says his family has suffered enough.
When will the suffering end for family's of those who he killed.
I have every reason to be confused by the very left.
Just think equality was my childhood dream, but the left is silent on dreadful lives of females in Islamist country's.
You can, if you wish charge me with dislike of every religion, and say in truth I think we would be better without them all.
I plead guilty.
I hate to see the wars and worse bought about in the name of phantom Gods.
I we continue to forgive the unforgivable, in time tolerance its self will die.
I refuse to tolerate Americas crimes including the interference in our country's politics, but I also will not pretend we can be free without them.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 24 August 2009 5:31:35 PM
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Belly >"When will the suffering end for family's of those who he killed."
I would hope we were above the criminals that practice 'tit for tat' in avenging one death for another.

I would feel the same way no matter what the religion. The Northern Irish dispute between Christians killed people just as dead as the ones in the dispute between the Jews and Palestinians.

The war against terror will not be won by playing the game the same way as the terrorists. That would make us just as bad as them.
Posted by suzeonline, Monday, 24 August 2009 6:38:05 PM
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"The principle remains wether you give criminals freedom or just punishment for their acts. If they demonstrate true remorse then mercy might be appropiate. But hatred is so ingraned in these people against the freedoms we cherish - for them to kill a Westerner is honourable."

Bigoted garbage!
And "the freedoms we cherish" As if they were so simple and pure as a principle! Since when did westerners measure their lifestyle against principle? Freedom to be utterly self-absorbed, indulgent and "unprincipled"--principled in the breach--to grow fat on glut and hubris.

This may not be the average westerner, but this is what the average westerner tacitly subscribes to by feeding off and turning a blind eye to the dispossession and misery of those we exploit.
All I'm saying is, lets as a nation start weighing our actions in the world against the principles we claim to cherish.
Posted by Squeers, Monday, 24 August 2009 7:24:36 PM
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