One under god,

I see your god has filled you with love and hope!

CJ,Ludwig, Pelican
Absolutely, My point was along the same lines...How do we get the people to adopt look beyond their selfish interests long enough to consider a massive change in our modus operandi of our magic pudding delusional economics etc.

It is one thing to "in theory" to see what has to be done but contrary to H's need to be entertained. Implementation/integration of a concept like steady "state economics" (Ludwig post the sites for them) which is counter current power structures and or requires people to think, need lots of commitment and even more boring hard unexciting work.

Ludwig your red Goshawk project is fascination but the work is dull, dull dull, leeches ticks, snakes etc ...did I mention hot sweaty and uncomfortable....and unexciting.

Trying to motivate the obvious limiting of the masses 'wants', masked as needs by business (will be seen as sacrifices) as per Ludwig's sites is daunting.

Along that line the axiom that "we get the politicians we deserve seems to ring true".

"Your mission if you accept it is to find a way to implement/integrate a solution. If you or any of your IM team are captured or killed the people will disavow any knowledge of your actions....Good luck Mr Phelps(?) This post will self destruct on reading ."

Come on C J Morgan have you ever tried to clean up a room after a flock of pigs has flown through?
Keep them on your side of the fence bloke.
Ludwig, surely you understand sustainability and conservative are words that do not go together.
Turnbulls leadership is not sustainable, policy's or not.

Me-Maaate,

Back from very serious drinking with very serious friends (around a bbq no less).

General feeling? Mal's trying hard, caught between a rock and a hard place. (Ute-gate a blunderous distraction of his own doing).

Big Mal knows what needs to be done, having it tough trying to pander to the true believers.

Personally, I've always admired the guy - but the neo-con hard-right back-stabbers will see to his demise. Sad, really.

Hey Hasbeen, do you think Senator Fielding's God-fearing fundies have a hope in the House of Reps? If not, who you goin to vote for, Mr Informal?

Oh, Hasbeen! Don't be such a sourpuss. So you're not clever or funny or articulate. That's okay! I'm sure there are lots of things you're good at.

“Ludwig, I agree with your objectives - but you're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think that the Coalition (or indeed, the ALP) is going to embrace real sustainability in the foreseeable future.”

CJ, I can see exactly why you feel this way. But to repeat myself; we can’t afford to accept this. We simply MUST strive to implement sensible sustainability-based governance before it happens as a result of glaringly obvious impending doom….which will be well and truly toooo late!

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“...surely you understand sustainability and conservative are words that do not go together.”

No I don’t see it that way Belly. What I do understand is that political parties will do what they have to to win power….and if it can be impressed on the opposition that there is merit in towing the sustainability line, as just about their only chance of winning power, then they just might do it, or something that is heading a bit more in that direction than the current grossly unsustainable future-destroying Ruddist approach to governance.

I don’t think that there is any fundamental conflict between conservative values and a stable population / steady state economic paradigm. To the contrary - you could easily see the promotion of never-ending population and economic growth as being at odds with conservative values.

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“...your red Goshawk project is fascination but the work is dull, dull dull, leeches ticks, snakes etc ...did I mention hot sweaty and uncomfortable....and unexciting.”

Examinator, what haaave you been up to – bashing through tick and taipan-infested long grass in Darwin stringybark forest on the Tiwi Islands trying to get a look at red goshawks…or what? ( :> 0