The Liberals running on a sustainability platform?

Outside my window, a squadron of pigs are assembled, ready to take off.

Don't do that CJ.

I just took a mouthful of tea which ended up on my keyboard. :)

Ok CJ, I know it's early but I'm off to have a few drinks with me serious mates.

Thankyou Pelican for your considered response.

“But we can all dream and it ain't gunna happen.”

It certainly looks that way. But we cannot afford to accept it!!

It HAS to happen! The stable-population steady-state-economy sustainability paradigm simply HAS to happen…or else we’re all ROOTED!

I really don’t think it is that hard!

“The voters aren't stupid (well not all of the time) they know a clayton's scheme when they see one”

And what is the biggest ‘Clayton’s’ scheme of all? The assertion that rapid population growth is the key to all our woes and that we’d fall into deep recession if we significantly reduced immigration.

If a major political party was to reinforce this and related sustainability issues, they’d be on a winner. If they won a mandate to reduce population growth, then the big business vested-interest sector that pushes for a high growth rate would just have to adapt to a much lower growth rate, which would be steadily wound down to zero.

With community support, the almightily powerful big biz lobby would be neutered.

Of course we would also need to make government a whole lot more independent of this lobby, by way of abolishing political donations and various others things that have been put forward by Tony Fitzgerald and Premier Anna Bligh recently in Queensland.

I too laugh at CJ’s dismissal of the libs embracing sustainability…or I should say; I laugh at CJ for expressing such a simplistic dismissal of the prospect, instead of offering something useful to this vitally important line of discussion!

Ludwig, I agree with your objectives - but you're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think that the Coalition (or indeed, the ALP) is going to embrace real sustainability in the foreseeable future.

You're probably right that they'll have to eventually, but they'll wait until things get much, much worse before finally acting when it's too late. I very much doubt whether you or I will ever see it.

the two party scam is run by the same elite cartel-scum,...

yea big busines ..with their suss-taint-able two party machinemen..ever seeking to further impoverish the great unwashed...or as they call them the great mindless useless eaters..and get their next taxpayer handout..

its a..conjoined eugenics adgenda...first dumb-us down..then program our mind rot..via sports and homeandaway...in-sert a bit of big bother...build up maximum fear levels then offer their cure..

tax the wage-paying super paying..taxpaying stooge's...they are to blame..for daring to breath out carbon..not their/your factories poluting our soils waters and air

watch tv you retarded stooges..your betters..will tell you when you can breath..when you..deserve a pay rise..or when you must pay their latest tax subsidy..to the big business masters...who have managed to privatise..lol..the peoples assets..

while centralising their power structure...into constituted courts and govt oppressions..under guise of moral policing of the retards/imbisiles...a proper legal term

while hiding their plunder..under limited liability..incorperations owning yet other ltd..incoorperations[..multinatinional's owning other multinationals...and if your good..you can sit..in a parrishuted in..board seat..bored yet?

the bankers and lawyers..need their new tax carbon cash cow...need an excuse to compulsoilly pump carconogenic f1n1 swine flew..into your system...a nice slow/cancer death for you lot..of useless eaters...

go ahead and fall for the divide and conquer of the two-party elites...blaming the latest hollow-caust deneying...brown-shirts wearing green

i would add listen to alex jones
http://www.infowars.com/
if you dare...but hey what do you care...lol..or else..

please dont claim you wernt told...yes this is the next generation...who will not be allowed to grow old...as those who grew old before you

shut up you mugs ...do as your told...your better ones..will do your thinking and speaking for you...

comeon down mal baby...come-in spinner..i warrmed up the fools/dolts for you...