There’s one very clear direction that this thread should be taking…..and it just ain’t doing that at all. That is the direction of exploring what Mal should be doing to pull himself out of his messy debacle and give his party a solid chance at the next election.

I’ve put forward my thoughts on the embracement of sustainability. It seems patently clear to me that this is the best strategy if not the only one that will work.

Mal’s holding onto a poisoned chalice. Anyone who takes over from him will suck on the same poison. Changing leadership is no solution. And continuing to be a Ruddite me-tooist is no solution.

I used to despise Turnbull. I still despise his politics but I’ve come around to seeing him as capable as any political leader and as adaptable to the sustainability paradigm as anyone in the liblabs.

It’s all about developing the right policies for the future of this country and selling them effectively so that they will resonate with the constituency……isn’t it?

Come on, let’s not get hung up on personality traits or ridiculous bloody distractions like Utegate.

Or am I just on a totally different wavelength (or planet) to everyone else on this thread??

Hey I was listening to Penny Wong last night and I realised she actually isn't human. She is a robot created in the image of Kevin. All they did is get Kevin, change the voice, make shorter and colour in the hair to black.

Seriously, if you were to just read a transcript of the interview, she uses all the same phrases, and is indistinguishable from Rudd.

She uses 'let me just say this'... and all the Rudd isms I cant think of at the moment. She has the same look on her face, the same public service lingo, the same hairdo, the same monotone robotic way of talking , the same faux indignation at the opposition, everything. It's quite creepy. To think that we have a robotic mini-me of Rudd running around.

H,
Ignoring the facts won't make them go away or make them untrue.
Tell me what are you saying that people(in general) aren't after what's in it for them? Are you saying people more often put others before themselves...for the greater good?

Are you saying then that we should never mention and therefore try and change our base natures for the better? the implications of your stance is well, sad. I at least believe we can lift ourselves from the mess we're in.
You really must stop being so thin skinned if you want to be aggressive or at least don't lead with your chin.

Not sure what that's all about. Are you a big fan of Penny Wong?

Hay Sancho, how's your field of vision?

Must be a bit restricted, from right up there.

Ludwig makes a good point. It does not matter who leads the Liberal Coalition if the material they have to work with remains the same.

For Turnbull and the Libs to turn this around they have to do the unthinkable - and think outside the square. If you buy into the whole ETS mentality without thinking about what it is you are trying to achieve then the war is lost before it it has begun.

Turnbull will be under pressure from the big end of town just as Rudd is to wind down and make the ETS a worthless piece of legislation that might only be useful as toilet paper - recycled of course.

If Turnbull can come up with a genuine way to actually reduce greenhouse emissions and reduce our dependency on coal then he may rein in some disenchanted swinging voters who voted largely on the promise of attention to climate change. The voters aren't stupid (well not all of the time) they know a clayton's scheme when they see one - they had plenty of time to learn under John Howard.

But we can all dream and it ain't gunna happen.