G'Day to All & to All G'Day,
Well read a lot of comments here about culture but nothing mentioned of the oldest continuous culture in the world & the original inhabitants of this land. That culture had no word equivalent to the word NO until the British came. It was a caring sharing culture with the base Caring for the Earth. The Irish then came first mainly as convicts & mixed with these that were already here & built a "Pioneer Culture" that blended many of the beliefs of those already here with those of thier own & this became a mixed culture. I will accept all as long as they come with the intent to become as one no dual citizenship you are either Aussie or not & if NOT then go home. Democracy I would advise all to read the stucture of Democracy before keeping the claim that we live in one.Thanks Dave

Antonios,
I still think you are a stupid, self opinionated fool, but now also a fraud and charlatan. You will not answer the questions put to you and yet you claim to 'support' all manner of things. I say you give verbal support to things that you think may be popular at that time.

Further, I believe you hide behind "I am a poor migrant and my English is poor, crap" You have been here 16 years and some of your posts are excellently written and others incredibly bad.

You say you support womens rights and childrens rights. Yet you openly invite all and sundry to come here irrespective of any cultural practices they may embrace that could be detrimental to women and children. You claim the migrants have rights.

You claimed to support aboriginals, and when a poster, who said he was aboriginal, put forward something you disagreed with you reply with disparaging remarks about him and his mother.

When I critisise some migrants for not abiding by our laws and social standards, you call me racist and nazi. Critisism is not racism.

So does multiculturalism and migrants rights to pursue their culture overide our laws relating to FGM and forced marriages. You once said to give them time. Well is 3 generations enough? Croats and Serbs still fight each other and some that were subject to FGM hre, as girls, are now having FGM done to their daughters. Do you approve?

We should not continue to 'turn a blind eye' to some cultural practices and give some groups 'cultural privilege'. If they break our laws they should be punished. Not to do so is not fair to all the other migrants that do adjust to our society, however difficult that may be.

If our experiance shows that some alien cultural practices continue through generations, then we should not import any more of that group. This should be done to maintain society cohesiveness.

Antonios my friend if I slowed down any further I’d need resuscitating. I didn't dispute anything Murray said, I barely understand what a Republic is.

Good evening Banjo baby. To go back to a previous post of yours about nose picking being okay in China or somewhere and some other stuff mentioned. And then someone I think argued law vs etiquette or that could have been my fever induced imagination taking over…

Just ease up turbo. You do come across (not as racist) kind of anti-everyone who doesn’t fit your idea of the perfect Australian.
Now I know CJ already called you on this and I also agree one cannot sum up a nations identity in 350 words.

But could you give an example of what a successful immigrant who has moved to Australia would be like? Could they still choose to practice any religion or wear their previous nations costume in public? Would they be allowed to still speak their original language in their home or support the same sports team their grandparents did?

Banjo I’d also suggest that when you were growing up you just weren’t in the right spots at the right times to see any racial conflict.
All credit to your parents.

I think when it does come to racial conflict it is a given that the home team always wins and as usual the winner writes history.

Nice to see you about Dave and I guess in your case the “home team” didn’t do so well.

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THE MASKS HAVE FALLEN !

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The French president, Nicholas Sarkozy (alias Napoleon Bonaparte) was reported recently as saying that burqas and niqabs have nothing to do with the Muslim religion and were not welcome in France.

He ordered a study by the French equivalent of the CIA on the importance of the phenomenon and they came up with some interesting facts. It was found that a total of 357 burqas and niqabs are worn in France.

That is quite negligible when you consider that the Muslim religion is the second largest religion in France after Catholicism. There are about 2 million Muslims in France (roughly 3% of the population).

As the population of France is three times that of Australia (66 million against 22 million), if the same proportion of burqas and niqabs were to be found in Australia, that would mean a total of 120, which, it seems to me, would probably be a gross over-estimation.

The French study revealed that the large majority of those wearing the "integral veil" were women under the age of thirty. 26% are of French origin converted to Islam. Most of them are militants of salafism which has its roots in the Sunnite branch of Islam. In many cases the young women wear the veil as a provocation to their families or society in general.

A parliamentary mission has been appointed to investigate the matter and provide a report by the end of January 2010 in order to determine if a law should be passed to ban wearing the "integral veil" in France.

However, I would be very surprised the French would pass a law that would only concern a few hundred people.

Still, you never know, Napoleon might get on his high horse and insist on it.

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Pied Piper,
Sorry to hear you are off. But Hey, mums dont get crook, they are always there. Its only us kids that catch colds. Just have to let it run its course so hang in there and you'l get back to old self. Drains you though don't it?

Murray has not posted again as yet, but i don't think he is right about Poms in England getting a vote here. There are some poms here that are not citizens that get a vote, if they came before xxxx date. I think that is what Murray meant but do not know the number.

Friends of mind just back from NZ trip in camper van. Loved it and he did ask why so many Kiwis immigrated and the answer apparently is for work. Nice place but not enough work there. Can youtell me why?

You asked "But could you give an example of what a successful immigrant who has moved to Australia would be like? Could they still choose to practice any religion or wear their previous nations costume in public? Would they be allowed to still speak their original language in their home or support the same sports team their grandparents did?"

Yes to all and more. Most immigrants adjust to our society and learn what is acceptable social conduct and so on. But that does not excuse the few that hold us in contempt in many ways.

We do 'turn a blind eye' to some actions that i consider offensive, such as forced marriage and FGM. This is 'cultural privilege' and yet there are raids and prosecutions on those groups that hold cockfights. Our priorities are very skewed to my mind. There are many other migrants that have a hard time adjusting, but they have and get my admiration.

There only a few groups I would deny entry to, all on our experience of them not integrating, some over generations but our first obligation is to the rest of our citizens, new and old.

G'Day All. How are you all.
If this country is going to go forth in this world then first we must have a recognition of the culture that formed this country. We as a nation have most things that other people want. If the immigrants are to mix & blend into this country then they have to have a defined culture that they are to blend to.
We have British "Law" that override the "Lore" that was in place for thousands of years & worked to keep this our "Mother" healthy & strong but in the last 200 years this has all changed the spot light has been taken from this culture & denigration has prevailed until the world is near convinced that this culture is irrelevant today.
We must build our culture around the the culture that was here first then we can accept those that come today & they will know what is expected of them, at the moment we keep accommadating the migrant & we make "Laws" to minorities to please but a few so we will keep the prejudices going.
If you always do what you always did you will always get what you always got think about it. Thanks Again Dave.