George,
I may have been saying the same thing as yourself. It is not personal! Comments are made in the general discussion and may not be directed at the named percon. That is why I generally do not draw attention by name to a poster. Do you agree with the ideas? Confirm it: if not debate it.

As this thread is developing, it is becoming increasingly clear that Australia has left the path of its Constitution, and allowed nine separate Bishoprics to develop, each with its own justice stream. Instead of nine Popes, all running a State Church, we have six Premiers, two Chief Ministers, and one Prime Minister. All except Paul Keating and Kevin Rudd, for the last sixty years have seen nothing wrong with this but it is terribly wrong. The concept of One God, combined with One Queen, representing Him, was the foundation of all property rights, but now no one has any property except what the State will allow you to keep. Taxation has expanded to take over one third of most peoples wages, and when they lost that right in 1942, in the National Interest, the States found other ways to extract money from the people.

The High Court is simply a toothless tiger as far as the Constitution is concerned. It shabby rules restricting access to its power, are totally negating the Constitution, and a direct attack on Christianity. To extract limitless money from people the States had to dissolve the Commonwealth, and establish Communist States as Sovereign, instead of Almighty God. They have done this with all the help in the world from lawyers. Lawyers have profited enormously from their loyalty to the State. They have a monopoly, the only profession that has no competition policy to meet. They monopolise the sale and purchase of justice, and have formed great partnerships, employing thousands of want to be lawyers at sweat shop wages.

The law firms will not accept the High Court as an authority when it does not suit their clients, and the ones who can afford them are mostly the big corporations whose legal budget, is written into your cost of living. The Commonwealth as a corporation spent $400 million dollars last year on legal services. They do not want to waste that money so they continue to make sure the Law Courts are stacked with their lawyers. God will come back and when He does, our lives improve

Dear oug,

Jesus was taught neither the Talmud nor the entire Bible. The Jewish Bible was not completely canonised until 90 CE after Jesus' death. Work started on the Talmud about 170 years after the death of Jesus.

People of today do not accept the entire Bible. Mass murder is no longer acceptable, and women do not give their servant girls to their husband for sex.

From the Bible Jesus knew:

Genesis 16:3 And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife. 16:4 And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes.

Joshua 6:21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. [worse than 9/11 but God supposedly told them to do it]

Polygamy, slavery and mass murder are unacceptable to most people of today. The passages above are in the Bible. It is behaviour that is unacceptable today. It is exactly the same for the Talmud. Some of what was acceptable when it was written are no longer acceptable.

If you condemn the Talmud because some of the practices it accepts are wrong in today's world then, to be consistent, you should also condemn the Bible.

However, the Bible also contains ethical observations and wisdom some of which are still useful and relevant in today's world. The same is true for the Talmud. Enjoy it.

Philo wrote: True religion is the channelling of these id drives to purposeful and honourable ends, marriage, selfessness and servanhood. All these qualities taught by Christ.

In other words your religion is the only true one. That’s the same belief that many Muslims, Jews, Hindus etc. have. That belief is an unending source of conflict.

George, "think" about what you have recently written. You have insinuated someone is "primitve" because (1) you have made an "assumption" about that person's intellectual capacity and because (2) that person called the behaviour of others "primitive". George, your logic shows typical "god worship logic" - - - - where people believe "THEY" are right, "THEIR" version of god is the only one "true" god, everyone must obey and if anyone doesn't believe exactly the same they are "beneath" true believers. True believers depth of insight STOPS at "belief": It goes no deeper than that. You seem to "believe" that my intellectual capacity does not stretch to "your" lofty standards? Why? It's probably because I'm not playing "your" game in the way "you'd" prefer.

Philo, atheism is the "NON WORSHIP" of, and non "belief" in, a deity. Atheism is defined NOT by what it believes, but by what it DOESN'T believe. Atheism, by it's very nature, does not believe in deities and does not worship deities. In fact atheism does NOT "worship" anything. The "belief" among god worshipers that atheism is the worship of things mankind shows how primitive the god worshipers are - - - - they are so brainwashed they just can't imagine anyone having an existence without "worship".

Philo wrote, "true religion is the channeling of these drives (sex, pride and power) into purposeful and honourable ends, marriage, selfessness (sic) and servanhood (sic). All these qualities taught by Christ". You're right Philo, all those qualities were taught by Christ. One thing you neglect though - - - - they existed LONG before Jesus Christ was even born. They're also taught by a plethora of prophets from just about every religion and belief imaginable. They're also taught by people of NON-belief, in all their diversity.

By the way Philo, "servanthood" is NOT a "quality". It discourages independent, free thinking as evidenced by many contributions here from the unquestioning "true believers" - - - the "servants" of the god they "believe" in.

david..i dont pray..but if i did..it would be

that we are only divided by..belief in the living loving good..[god...by anyother name or whoever its messenger]...and those not having belief..[in loving neighbour as themself]..or simply a belief in love others equally,regardless of them accepting god..[that they accept others..believing as they chose,..as long as/they do of love for self..and love of other

that we accept people..by their works..good works...[or reject people by their vile selfish works,...regardless if that good or vile be done..in any other name/authority/or god

i include in this..[anti-loving/god-lot..those advocating eugenics,abortionists,racists,murderors,rapists,thieves,bigotry,racism,ursurists,liers/perverts...and all the others..living for their own good advantage alone...

i attack the book..reluctantly..[and agree..that it no doudt contains much wisdom..[as do the quran and the torah...[that isnt egsactly the same as the old testiment]..and the new testitment,..or even collectivly the bible..[but includes the wisdoms of the tao,and the bagadivita[science and health/arcana celestia.and many other texts

i have found good in them all..but[and]..also many contradictions]...but reason that[as swedenborg reveals]..we are ALL under constant influx/from heaven..AND HELL...

that none is without sin..but..that sin is initself a judgment call[as advidsed..in the course in miracles..[dictated by one claiming to be christ..[to a jewess,..in total denial,that she was channeling him

i have meditated on the quote..[re sabbath...i quoted abouve...and can make sense of it..in a certain manner...

but i feel that is what..the volumous rewrite..should have done...im all for not censuring the texts..[and note that the text/i quoted re the 3 year and one day child..[have at times been deleted]...and fully deserve..to be deleted...but feel they must stay...with the note[warning..of how any text..can be perverted/..by those wishing to keep...all gods good..divided...

just as i feel..all the holy texts need warnings..at the seemingly contradictory bits..that give the impression that god is in anyway pleased with blood shed...

i have enjoyed your knowing..and your ability to share[the link]...in time i will try to read it...but like how..i read all the other texts..i will filter the words..by how i know/trust.. my../our god..[good]..to be

Master,
you are a servant to your own beliefs, master of your passions and drives. This is the identity of the god you worship. God is not only defined as a being outside the universe you seem to classify as all people believe exists. Your image of the highest power is in you. You are your view of god. No man can escape his image - his spirit.

God is manifest in Truth and wisdom and is eternal and not the property of one. That Jesus taught them makes him a wise man to be respected for his knowledge of truth