dear david i trust you will be able to guide me to a LINK,to the complete writings of this supposed ancient text...my understandiung of it comes from

http://www.biblestudysite.com/factsarefacts.htm
quotations;from the Soncino Edition of the Talmud,(Book)

that actually says things like found hereunder[presumably..AS I HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO FIND THIS BOOK I can only believe what i see written[hereunder]

YEBAMOTH,60b...Rabbi.Ramanos who conducted an inquiry..and..'found'..in it..the daughter of a..'proselyte'..who was under the age of three years and one day...,and Rabbi declared her eligible to live with a priest."

(footnotes)"..A proselyte..under the age of three years and one day may be married by a priest...And was married..to a priest.

(i.e.,permitted to continue to live with her'husband'."]

(Book)

SANHEDRIN,..55b-55a:.."What is meant by this?...Rab said:..Pederasty with a child below nine years of age..is not deemed as pederasty with a child above that.

(footnotes)"..The reference is to..the passive..'subject'/victim..of sodomy

i have mentioned this at 3 other posted topic[and no one has yet been able to present the complete book[on the web]via a link...from what i read about it so far encourages me not to spend a penny actually bying this text..

that reportedly/guides rabbies of certain abrahamic/beliefs..i understand that the so called settlers in palistein..use the book as their authority..[to do unspeakable things in hidden places]...

thus your being able to present the full text online...may allow me to either confirm or deney...

its noticable that few..that criitique my quote..have read the text[HAVE YOU?]...

you seem to be quoting others..thus are unlikely to have read..the very text your defending...but please prove me wrong

PLEASE PROVIDE AN ONLINE LINK

Dear oug,

Here it is:

http://www.come-and-hear.com/talmud/

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Dear Peter,

You indeed appear to have read Job without comprehending it.

Perhaps if you read it in the New International Version rather than the KJV greater understanding may be afforded your good self. If you don’t have a copy then might I suggest www.biblegateway.com . However I do concede that part of the problem may be viewing text through the proverbial ‘rose coloured glasses’.

Job’s friends, along with that large evangelical church you speak of with their ‘prosperity gospel’ contended that God rewards the good and punishes the bad therefore what had befallen Job was the direct result of him sinning against God.

But Job would have none of that. He says “I will never admit you are in the right; till I die, I will not deny my integrity” He asks “Why do the wicked prosper and live long?” and when his friends reply that God blesses the good with abundance and afflicts the wicked Job replies
"So how can you console me with your nonsense? Nothing is left of your answers but falsehood!"

When Eliphaz says "Submit to God and be at peace with him; in this way prosperity will come to you.” Job says instead give me my day in court. “I would state my case before him and fill my mouth with arguments.”

Job effectively puts God on trial and this is what God respects about him. Not subservience but forceful challenging.

Your view of Job is nothing like that presented by the literal word but is one honed by Christian folklore. My own brother-in-law, an evangelist preacher, exhibit’s a similar blindness. He quotes passages from Job as some of his most favourite in the bible but with little understanding of the full book.

Because he is family I don’t seek to disavow him of those notions and I would offer you the same courtesy, therefore if you would like to walk away a more in-depth analysis of Job I would understand

Sorry Peter,

I forgot to respond to your “In the end Satan has to admit that Job is the ultimate righteous man”.

I’m afraid a closer reading of Job will show that Satan does no such thing.

You might find this excerpt from Wikipedia interesting.

“The Jewish and Christian interpretations of who "ha-satan" (literally, "the adversary") is tend to differ. Many from a Christian perspective believe 'Satan' to be the Devil. 'Satan' is generally considered in that tradition to be the adversary of God, and is typically conflated with Lucifer. Thus, 'Satan' is viewed by Christians as evil personified. The Jewish view of "the adversary" is as a sort of prosecuting attorney for God. While "the adversary" is equated with the Angel of Death, he is generally considered to be the adversary of humanity rather than God, and he is often shown obeying the will of God.”

That two belief systems can differ quite markedly over the same text is instructive. I will admit to having reservations about Christian interpretations of the Hebrew Bible countermanding Jewish ones, after all it is their book.

A continuing interaction with evangelistic Christians over Job has me largely convinced that Jewish interpretations are truer to the text (as should probably have been expected) and I am inclined to extend that to the rest of the Hebrew Bible.

thanks david...[could you please explain what the quotes are saying...from your link
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_55.html

<<R.Joseph said:Come and hear!..A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition,>>

<<and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her,she becomes his.>>

<<The penalty of adultery may be incurred through her;..[if a niddah] she defiles him..who has connection with her,...so that he in turn defiles that upon..which he lies,..as a garment..which has lain upon [a person afflicted with gonorrhoea].5

If she married a priest,...she may eat of terumah;..If any unfit person has a connection with her,...he disqualifies her from the priesthood

If any of the forbidden degrees had intercourse with her,...>>

.well it sort of goes on..about A CHILD..AGED 3 years and a day...seems lying[having sex]..with a child is ok...if your the right degree..[right?]..

no doudt goys wouldnt have the right degree..[right?]...but rabbies can..have sex with babies...can marry and lie with children...i dont care how much wisdom is in the book....having sex with children is morally corrupt...

thanks for the link...but it only confirms my worst fears

i note the book has only but recently been completed...[the selling point is..this is what jesus was taught[...]thats untrue]

from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud

<<Some scholars hold that there has been extensive editorial reshaping of the stories and statements within the Talmud...>>>the question arises to what end..[by who?

<<...Lacking outside confirming texts,..they hold that we cannot confirm the origin..or date of most statements and laws,..and that we can say little for certain about their authorship....>

Job is not a Christian interpretation of Christian theoloigy and must be studied carefully in context. The sons of God (ben Elohim in chapter 1) were part of a pantheon of ancient Elohim worshipped at Ur and they regularly reported to El Shaddai the cellestrial and the mother of all gods in the Chaldean pantheon. El (Satan) was a terrestrial god who administered the Earth for El Shaddai.

Abraham chose of all his fathers gods one El Shaddai and worshipped only her and attributed all events to El Shaddai both good and mortal as the God of life and death (and Israel worshipped her till Moses announced God as YHWH Exodus 6: 2).

Job an Edomite and grandson of Abraham was influenced by his cousin Teman to accept only one God. In Edom known as the female god Aloah, of which language the original text was written. The Hebrew text is a corruption of Hebrew and Edomite words as it has centuries of editing. Throughout the text God is identified as both the celestrial and who Job believed would be revealed in the Earth chapter 19(the domain of El) as the ONLY creator, sustainer and controller of the Earth to vindicate his new theological position.

The text is a rebuttal of polytheism / gnosticism of which many Christians are influenced by Roman theology of a being known as the devil. It is important to note Satan in Hebrew theology means an opponent and on some occasions the satan is YHWH who opposes Israel. There is no other being opposing God other than man who was cast out of the presence of God because of his sin.