The fact that some of you people take these various "beliefs" seriously is a testament to how human nature remains at a very "primitive" level, even in this modern age.

Since we lived in caves, till we walked on the moon, there's NEVER been a shortage of people who "believe" they have all the answers. Answers that come from a "belief" in many, many different "versions" of God. All debating that "their" version is the one true God and that "they" are right.

Primitive, in the extreme. But that's how human nature manifests itself.

Isn’t it so that people who call “primitive“ symbolic language (e.g. mathematics or theology) or discussions on hermeneutics (of biblical or historical texts) they cannot understand, actually make a statement about themselves?

It is all very well to theorise about the existence of God but lets get down to practical reality. The practical reality of the Holy Bible is that it is a very successful template for good government. A country that has no respect for authority is a rabble. Currently with nine separate authorities governing one people Australia is a rabble, and in today’s Australian there is an article evidencing that there are still 100,000 homeless going into Kevin Rudd’s second winter.

The homeless in Australia are a direct result of the destruction of society by the rise and rise of independent States. The lack of will by Canberra to enforce its laws, or allow anyone else to do so, has led to a plethora of laws, and no way to weed the obnoxious ones out. When the Constitution was framed it was framed in a climate where there was a universal respect for the Holy Bible, and Churches were almost always full on a Sunday.

The reality: Australia has gone back to a second rate mongrel clone of the United States of America, when with only 21 million people it was constituted to be one Nation, under a strong Federal Government, is undeniable. With a whole cauldron of self serving Judges and Magistrates each working for a separate State, and refusing to work together as Australians we are just lucky we are not much worse off. Until KR and his team wake up to the fact that they are top dog, and do not have to even listen to the State Premiers, unless they want to, we will continue to be badly governed.

We need God back urgently. We need the authority of One God, accepted as the ultimate authority, to whom all others look for guidance. We do not need 49 or so little tin gods in the Federal Court. Little Tin Gods who have written their own Bible, and completely control the Judicial Power of the Commonwealth. There are another seven of these individuals who want to be God, on the High Court. How long must we wait

George,
We are all testament to the nature of the God / gods we believe in. Even atheists who claim to have no god give their passions and aspirations to an images of self.

The image of self defines the nature of the absolutes that define beliefs of who we are and why we are here. Identify these things in yourself and that defines the nature of the god upon which you model your being. Most peoples image of self is based around primitive passions (drives) of sex, pride and power. Examine your own most dominant passions.

True religion is the channelling of these id drives to purposeful and honourable ends, marriage, selfessness and servanhood. All these qualities taught by Christ.

i have read some more of the talmud[from its dictionary have learned that..''if a niddah''..essentially means bleeder..[though the dictionary calls it menstration]..''she defiles him''..dictionary also revealed a new word for goy..

<<..CUTHEAN
Used as euphemism for non-Jew: 'Cuthean'..(Samaritan)..was here substituted by the censor..for the original goy..(heathen)...
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_57.html#57a_33

i picked at random through the 18 book text..in the end begining at the beginning..[seeking laws of the sabbath...[like the 49 year rule]..where the land returns..to its origonal owners
http://www.come-and-hear.com/shabbath/shabbath_2.html#chapter_i

maybe..something has gotten lost in translation<<..
Folio..2a

CHAPTER..I

MISHNAH...THE CARRYINGS OUT OF THE SABBATH..ARE TWO..WHICH ARE FOUR WITHIN,..AND TWO..WHICH ARE FOUR..WITHOUT.

3 ..HOW SO?
THE POOR MAN STANDS WITHOUT..AND THE MASTER OF THE HOUSE WITHIN:
[i]..IF THE POOR MAN STRETCHES HIS HAND WITHIN AND PLACES..[AN ARTICLE]..INTO THE HAND OF THE MASTER OF THE HOUSE,

OR[ii]..IF HE TAKES..[AN ARTICLE]..FROM IT AND CARRIES IT OUT,..THE POOR MAN IS LIABLE,4..AND THE MASTER OF THE HOUSE IS EXEMPT.5

[AGAIN]..[i]..IF THE MASTER OF THE HOUSE STRETCHES HIS HAND WITHOUT AND PLACES ..AN OBJECT] IN THE POOR MAN'S HAND,OR [ii]..TAKES [AN OBJECT]..THEREFROM AND CARRIES IT IN,..THE MASTER IS LIABLE,..WHILE THE POOR MAN IS EXEMPT.6

[iii]..IF THE POOR MAN STRETCHES HIS HAND WITHIN AND THE MASTER TAKES [AN OBJECT] FROM IT, OR PLACES..[AN OBJECT] THEREIN AND HE CARRIES IT OUT, BOTH ARE EXEMPT;

[iv] IF THE MASTER STRETCHES HIS HAND WITHOUT AND THE POOR MAN TAKES [AN OBJECT]..FROM IT,OR PLACES..[AN ARTICLE]..THEREIN AND HE CARRIES IT INSIDE,..BOTH ARE EXEMPT.7

GEMARA,We learnt elsewhere:[False]..oaths are two which are four>>

i guess it explains much..about the palistein issue failing to get resolved..[with such thinking..one needs wonder what the settlers are doing/achieving..running their raw sew-rage..into the gaza strip ghetto..[i presume[iv]..covers it..or maybe the first line...[quote]

Philo,
I do not want to disagree with you, however my post - about the level of intellectual sophistication of people who call things that humanity has been discussing for centuries “primitive” just because they cannot understand them - was simply a reaction to the post preceding mine.