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Turnbull Rudd Swan lets talk

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I am not unhappy that it was mid last week in another thread I told Foxy it was a lie And the Turnbull would be the one holding the bucket.
He has for you know , while driving today I tuned in to the voice freqency of the 607 channel and heard every word of the debate, have recorded it and will watch it soon.
Mud sticks, some, even in this thread get their information about politics from the news paper their fish and chips comes in.
Or radio shock jocks who value ratings not truth.
Turnbull has form for quoting non existent documents, mates? no money not one cent went to this bloke.
How much did Howards brother get when his firm went broke?
No blame none can be held against Swan or RUDD Turnbull will now never be PM
It is not an ALP set up its from conservative history a repeat of past dirty tactics like racist pampplets handed out during the election.
Can I ask just basic questions of those who blame the ALP for this.
No cheating ok? just to enforce your understanding of politics in this country.
the easy questions, sure you know without research.
who is shadow treasurer?
Who is [give you a hint nick name is skirt]Liberals business leader in lower house?
This last one has got me baffled I must admit who will lead the Liberals now Turnbull has to go?
Posted by Belly, Monday, 22 June 2009 5:34:51 PM
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Dear Belly,

I'm sick with the flu at the moment - but
I forced myself to watch, 'Question Time,'
in the House of Reps. today, and guess what?
Turnbull and his entire front bench was nowhere
to be seen. I have no idea where they had
disappeared to - only Abbott was left sitting
there on his own. I thought - how odd!
Here was Turnbull's chance - and where was he?
Deleting stuff from his computer?

Very bizarre!

Watch the news for more - I guess...
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 22 June 2009 6:04:39 PM
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runner: quote "Hopefully Joe Hockey or Tony Abbott will restore some credibility to oppose probably the most incompetent Government since Whitlam." unquote.

How sad. Would you buy a used car from Joe Hockey? Joe was right into the fraudulent email scam.
Aah...Tony Abbott: you would only expect a failed-seminarian to go with that one.

At least your post recognises that Turnbull has thrown it away on another gamble. My bet?... nothing changes as they are bereft of talent.
Posted by rexationary, Monday, 22 June 2009 6:43:37 PM
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1. was ANY email or not? if yes who sent it and why?
At the moment it seemed that the real victim from the email was Turnbull.
It was imposible Rudd or Swan to become victims from a face email! It is very easy to find the email sender, to find that the email is face.
THE QUESTION IS WHO TRAPPED Turnbull AND WHY?
It is sure that Turnbull was trapped and he did not know how to avoid this simple trap! He did not have the technical background from the email systems and he did not suspect dirty tricks.
Poor Turnbull the persons who trapped you, was professional and dirty, not like you!
You took a good leson and you will learn much more as you are entering deeper into politics!
Next time Mr Turnbull close your mouth if you are not sure!
And you will never be sure for your last minute informations as professional liers and croocks know how to put their trapps!
It is bad but this is the high politics!
THE FACE EMAIL DID NOT DAMAGE ONLY THE OPPOSITION LEADER BUT OUR DEMOCRACY TOO. ANY ONE WHO USE DIRTY WAYS TO HUMILIATE OUR POLITICAL LEADERS DAMAGE SERIOUSLY OUR DEMOCRACY. FROM THIS KIND OF ACTIVITIES THE REAL LOSER IS OUR DEMOCRACY!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide
Posted by ASymeonakis, Monday, 22 June 2009 8:04:54 PM
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Outside noisy, inside empty!
-Old Chinese proverb.

We certainly got an example of that today
from the Liberal Party...

The Leader of the Opposition has clearly demonstrated
today, that he is lacking in honour and integrity.

The Liberal Party if it wants to retain any credibility
whatsoever should replace Turnbull as its Leader immediately.

The man doesn't have an ounce of decency - and
will not willingly choose to resign. Afterall, it's not
his fault that the email upon which he based all of his
accusations turns out to be a fraud. His attempt to
blacken the PM's name has failed - so he can now try
to blacken the Treasurer's name... keep watching the news
of this 'comedy of errors.'

We are also expected to believe that a lawyer,
and a wheeler/dealer - who used to work for
Kerry Packer - wouldn't have done his research prior
to making the accusations... in that case he's really
not qualified to lead his Party, let alone try to run
for the country's top job - sometime in the future.
From that - we can surmise that the man is one of two things
- totally incompetent -
or so driven by personal ambition - that
it clouds his judgement - and his ability to think
rationally. Neither qualities make for a good and
desirable Leader.

It's unfortunate that people of this calibre are given
the opportunity to reach these lofty positions.
While talented and better qualified people are forced
to quit politics. But I guess the Liberal Party doesn't
have many good options open to it. Although surely it
can do better than it has done to date.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 22 June 2009 9:01:29 PM
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He trusted the person who gave him or spoke to him about the email.
This was his big mistake. He is new in his position and he had to be more carefull, as a leader he had to avoid the trapps even from his best friends and colegues
Few years before Kevin Rudd trusted his wife as a business woman and did not advice her to avoid to use the NO CHOICE WORK IR. She pressed her employees to sign personal agreements with lower wages and worst conditions than the awards.
Rudd thought that his wife so many years together, so many times listening Rudd's vision for labours rights and a better world could not use Howard's law against her employees but she did.
If Rudd did not know his wife and did not convince her about labour's rights for so many years how we can expect from Turnbull or any one else to avoid this kind of mistakes?
The question is who TRAPPED Turnbull, which DARK brain use this kind of dirty trapps against Turnbull.
We do not know if he/she was an opponent from the government or from his party, a business man or personal enemy.
For me this kind of mistakes is not important, it is better to speak for policies or for characters or moral codes.
USUALLY HONEST AND INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE TRAPPED EASIER THAN THE DIRTY ONE!
I understand that fanatic people does not care for human integrity or for our democracy but this kind of people have very low credibility.
Our top priority should be the minimum damage for our political leaders from INNOCENT mistakes.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide
Posted by ASymeonakis, Monday, 22 June 2009 10:13:58 PM
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