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How to beat Howard and why

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You know beating liberal or labor is up to us but that is where your problem is.

As you know all it takes is one person but then its up to you.

Email me at :swulrich@bigpond.net.au
Australian Peoples Party

But there is a problem you wont because you will just keep talking about it.
For one of you to email is a chance but then you have an opinion which can be passed on.
So who will it be.
I myself am as i believe honest so dont give me any bull just say what you think.
And this is what doesnt happen.
Give me a chance.
It is actually good as i have been told
Posted by tapp, Tuesday, 5 December 2006 7:16:16 PM
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It is no good replacing Howard for Rudd.
They are both flower pot men,Bill and Ben.
The language they answer to is 'flob a lot."
At the end of the day the Liblab coalitian party answer firstly to the Macquarie bank board then Murdoch and Packer.
Whitlam had a dream free medical treatment for all.
Regional governments controlling their own destinys,
Weak State governments or even scrapping them altogether.
In an ideal Australia we would stand strong against foreign investments and governments.
Currently we have state governments selling out Australia.
Plus competing with each other as is now happening on the Victorian border with the Heywood pulp mill of Victoria competing with the Penola Pulpmill of South Australia.
Look up on Google to see if the mills are different.
Have fun!
Posted by BROCK, Tuesday, 5 December 2006 8:31:44 PM
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Brock, Kapp and to a lesser extent Sung Wu.

The word cynic originates from ancient Greece. It was a derogative description. Cynics where persons who had abandoned all hope for humanity and where accused of literally living like stray dogs - they were often kicked by citizens as they lay on the side of the road bemoaning our lot.

The human condition is irrational. I have sympathy for the cynic but it is a hopeless position. It is not a view I want my children to adopt. It is indeed an invalid position. As humans we should be proud of so many of our achievements. Our valid criticisms do not negate our acheivements. They are merely attempts to avert or minimise regression.

Howard is the catalyst for our most recent regression. I however, maintain a firm secular belief, that, at some point we will inevitably move forward - as we have throughout history. Then, the actions of Howard, Ruddock, Vanstone and others will be univerally condemned. They will probably escape incarceration but they will not escape their own conscience. Whilst on a National level, their errors will serve to make this country stronger and perhaps ensure we never ever regress to this shameful point again.

I have to believe this.
Posted by YEBIGA, Wednesday, 6 December 2006 12:22:10 AM
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yebiga,
you're confusing labor with howard and whitlam and keatinge with ruddock and vanstone.
doesn't the library on your planet regularly update its literature ?
Posted by pragma, Wednesday, 6 December 2006 4:25:57 AM
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Oh lots of beating of breast and renting of clothing.

As a regular and consistent Liberal voter, it might be worthy those who see such problems with Liberal government asking

“why did Keating Lose?”

“Why has Labor been in opposition for the past decade”.

I could tell you but you would not believe me, you need to find out for yourself.

In the meantime, I will be happy to continue in my own erroneous way, safe in the knowledge that Liberals will allow me to make my own errors, instead of Labor who will endeavour to make the mistakes in my name, with my taxes by reducing my choices and liberty.

Ronald Reagan started the shift away from nanny states, Margaret Thatcher reinforced it as she broke the stagnation endemic in British Industry from decades of "social ownership".

To his credit, Hawke went along with the trend and started the “level playing field” movement toward freer trade. The incumbent Liberal government has continued the trend, with excellent results.

Here I read how the Luddites are still beating their breasts and renting their clothing but they would always do that. They are a tiny minority, fortunately the ethos of the government allows them space to be wrong, a courtesy which, unfortunately, they do not reciprocate.
Posted by Col Rouge, Wednesday, 6 December 2006 8:08:23 AM
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Come on now, YEBIGA. You are merely displaying you own bias – which you are perfectly entitled to do – not answering the question. For the last 10 years, people of the opposite bias have been electing and returning the Howard Government. There is no practical difference between the two parties in any of the matters you mention in your second paragraph. You and I are obviously on opposite sides of the fence, politically, but it makes absolutely no difference to either of us which party is in government. Life goes on exactly the same. I loathed Bob Hawke and Paul Keating (still do) but they had no effect on my life.

By the way, do you think Hawke’s foray into Iraq with Bush Snr. Was “prudent”, or how about Keating’s upsetting Malaysia and Asia in general? Let’s go back to Whitlam and East Timor. How about that?

Who says we are not a respected member of the global community?

What miraculous powers do you possess that allow you to make comments on my psyche?

I think that you are just a Labor stooge. Intelligent people are not fooled by the silly, ‘Liberal bad, Labor good’ and vice versa rhetoric of the type you espouse. Neither of them are much good in my book.

And, I’m still waiting to hear about this rage you talk about. If it’s of the sort directed against the IR laws (which I admit do not affect me, and on which I have heard conflicting stories from people who are affected) then I don’t think you will be able to come up with the goods. The IR furore has died down already (as evidenced by the poor turnout against it recently) and will probably be a non-issue by election time – just like the GST. Was it “rage” that got Howard back in after he introduced the GST?
Posted by Leigh, Wednesday, 6 December 2006 8:19:43 AM
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