No thanks jewely been there done that, I do know girls like yours.
Rared 5 kids for one she was good at looking after herself, but not her kids.
And you mix in different circles than me gang bang never meant rape in my days in Sydney.
C J Morgan I have never heard of a circle wank other than as a homosexual practice are you certain it took place?
I would go home without a shower if it was my team mates.
NRL may well die refs are either making a quid or tottaly useless, those running the game MUST stop fining those who tell it like it is.
Did any one look at the AFL story? it was still on display this morning and well worth a read.
OUG sorry bloke but do you see footballers as fat?
Not seen many myself try running full on ball in hand tackeling being tackeled no way they are fat, ok some between the ears.
Still interests me, so much conservatism about sex, well in print but if we told about our sexual history?
Anyone got a 1970,s pannel van for sale?

Yes (referrng back a few pages) I'm aware that several comments I made, and backed with links, had been raised before. The points were not addressed. Most crucially, the issue of why Matthew Johns apologized to the young woman in the car park for other men entering the room, if she "knew what she was getting into" and had consented.

Agreeing to sex with anyone is agreeing to make oneself vulnerable to the other; it doesn't mean that the other can treat one's body like a hunk of refuse. To do that is a violation of trust. It's inhumane.

As to compensation. Do any of you know how difficult it is to obtain victims compensation in NZ. Before crucifying this woman as a gold digger, has anyone bothered to research and find out how much she is paid.

The last I saw it was from NZ $40.00 a week up to 3/4 of one's last weekly wage (how much does a motel worker earn?); not indefinite and there had to be physical injury - transmission of disease would qualify though.

So did any of the gay buffoons wear a condom? Or did they just splurge all over each other and the young woman then go home to their wives and girlfriends. Btw - how much is unemployment payment in NZ ? Is it more or less than victims compensation. To obtain compo she would have to convince MH seciaists that she had PTSD, and that would be IMO, impossible to fake.

It would seem to me that she'd have been better off accepting one of the many media deals offered to her at the outset, or even now. Since she is clearly being vilified anyway for taking advantage of those poor dozen footy players who at up to 30ish are so much dumber than a provincial 19 yr old; she might just as well have grabbed whatever cash was offering.

The biological determinism argument: It's clear that there are many men here and elsewhere who share my digust at the abuse of this woman and at the footy culture that has supported this sort of behaviour for so long.

How can it be inevitable that these footy players behave these ways; when there are so many men who don't behave likewise.

Your argument casts all men as sex mad and incapable of behaving decently.

Most men as far as I know are decent. Are you apologists for these sorts of behaviours really desirous of being classified as devoid of self-control.

Pynchme both you and I did not enter that room how can we be sure what took place?
Far worse has taken place BUT on the evidence she had group sex before, bragged about it, said she would do it again, with this team, did it, bragged about it, then felt sorry and complained.
Have you ever?
Ever known or heard of one woman?
Who acts like that? who would could have such sex by consent?
Come be honest.
Have you any doubt ,any at all, a girl looking for such sex might just be unstable?
Now the men, yes those coming in the door and window?
no idea why they did, no support for them.
But its not a football thing, you put too much value on media trash talk, its sorry, sex culture, all over the world.
execpt it, the sex drive is driving us all, we can not change that, churchs can not control their people, much worse true rape has happened there for centurys.

Pynchme:"all men are bastards, all women are saints, btw sex is really yucky, did I mention all men are bastards?"

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah

A typically "gallant" response from Antiwomen. I await the obligatory reference to dogs and leg-humping.

Did anybody else catch The Chasers' treatment of the Sharks last night? Absolutely hilarious, particularly the 'spoof' of the Footy Show.