Calculating the odds is pure conjecture KMB, because you use very dodgy data to arrive at the conclusion. Six monkeys with one computer in a cage does not a datapoint make.

The monkeys theorem was given an infinite amount of TIME, the keyword being INFINITE. The estimation of sub-atomic particles in the universe is a red-herring. And the whole random thing is flawed because it presupposes a finished product that has to be exactly what is wanted as a predetermined exact thing, not what you would actually get given random processes. Example: you are asking for a "Shakespearean sonnet", so it has to be something extremely specific popping out of the other end. If you got something by Keates or Shelley, or a sonnet not written by Shakespeare or it even produces something that has not been written by anyone in living history (but could still be classified as a sonnet), you wouldn't be happy would you? But it lowers the odds somewhat.

How many indivisible time units (say, Planck time?) have there been since the beginning of the universe in which the total of sub-atomic particles previously mentioned have had time to interact. These are large numbers. Six monkeys on a computer for a month ain't gonna cut it. I mean they didn't even have coffee!

sancho>>..0.01%...margin for error,which is the same as 100%>>..99.99 is crock..in gap-fossils alone there is 90 percent-gap..[plus..those claimed to fill some gaps are lies]..say 5%..declared there is still hundreds not declared..[flipping great/gaps bro..[thus no-where near 100 percent..lol]


agromist<<Confirmation bias...You don’t know so assume..>>..right just as evolutionists..'dont know'..[but they are happy for fools and children to believe its a done deal...lol..if it aint so DONT say it's proved.

<<See the Urey-Miller../Oro and Kimball experiments.>>you put up no link..im not searching for your proof...[they the same as you posted last time?]

<<Species and Genus are artificial human constructs>>..i know that, but the barriers between genus have real validation..[interbreeding is only one sign of species]

<<process of separation happens so imperceptibly,>>..ok give me an..in current transition,..living esample..[a gap/species in between one genus and the next..[just give me one link]..name one.

<<For lack of intelligent design try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_disorders Prove these were intelligently designed.>>mate thats error in trancription[nothing to do with evolution]..ok you have errors[that can be hidden[we call them termial resseive..[fatal if homogenous]..but in hetrogenus able to be pased transgenerationally,hiden and usually to no affect..[and not evolution in the proper sense]

but they are errors..[no-one designes errors...,they happen,.. but the real process of'natural selection'and'survival of the fittest'eliminates the bad gene errors...[its not proof of evolution]..nor is my use of them..but..to make the clarification

i will repeat my question<<..HOMOsapion proves just what EGSACTLY,>>natural selection..[evolution of SPECIES?]

your a trained scientist,
give us some faulsifiable science FACT of evolutionary process

if fact prove it

if ...''for the lack of any..'intelligent'-design'.. prove it..[dont quote your words back as if i spoke them]..your link of genetic sports..[read mutants]..dont cut it,its not any evolution ..[read survival of the fittest;..by'natural-selection']..that kills off its next generation?...[or burdons it with defective error?]...thats much like iradiating fruitflies that gets..[suprise suprise FRUITFLIES mutants,yet only fruitflies!

ps i recall somthing re your last response,to eftfnc

..dont recollect what the problem is,..thus seperate my comment's from your problem,..if leukemia..my search result

http://www.google.com.au/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=gd&q=leucumia+cures&hl=en-GB&rls=MEDA,MEDA:2008-36,MEDA:en-GB

ok..none of my buisness,..but science/fraud hasnt helped find its cure...[most is out and out fraud]..vitamins and high alcaline body ph cures most disease

Wobbles, the Saturdarians are a primitive cult which is destroying our society from the inside thanks to multi-culti moral relativists, the liberal media elite and socialist Krudd policies. And feminists, of course.

Only deluded secularist fail to see that embracing the spirit of Maeve is the true path to redemption, later this week.

OUG, a thousand time yes...lol! The [they think they..are] "scientists" are hiding [perhaps...lol] data to fool us...lol! They are part OF THE SAME...lol...PLOT to deny Maeve WHAT is HERS...lol!!

KMB,

1. I will try again. Evolution does work the way you think. There is are series of small steps, each with shorter odds.

2. By your reasoning Shakespeare did not and could not write a sonnet, because in 12.6 billion years; the age of the Universe; there was insufficient time.

Alternatively, his brain was a product of evolution, permitting the entire Collected Works to be written.

O.

Sancho,>>..The[they think they..are]"scientists" are hiding [perhaps...lol]data to fool us...lol!>>...oh poor sancho,im talking about medicine cartel machinations[to out beloved agromist,in relation to a sickness that aflicts him[not you,hardly a joking matter

<<They are part OF THE SAME...lol...PLOT to deny Maeve WHAT is HERS...lol!!>>...may seem funny but isnt even worthy of response...

so i fished out a quote that covers you


mark twain..quote>>..peoples beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten 2 de hand, and without egsamination..., from authorities who have not themslves egsamined the questions at issue, but have taken them[at second hand]from other non-egsaminers,..who's opinion about them are not worth a brass farthing..>>

dr .L .horrowitz>>less than 3 percent of dna's function involves protein manufacture;..more than 90 percent functions in the realm of bioacoustic and bioelectric signaling..>>..of course you didnt know the 2 de quote..[because your teachers didnt know it to tell you[because between the two of you[teacher student]both accept the fairy story as sold to you

you have no idea of truth or faulsity of evolution..[by your own words your ignorance on the topic is revealed]..have you ever bred a single beast or creature,..have you bred a single test of your theory, you have absorbed the opinions of faulse gods,..been decieved and even in your deception reveal your complete ignorance of the topic

do some research

[stop making inane oversimplistic over-statements of evolving concepts you barely comprehend]if you have proof put it up ...[post your first hand research...lol]

it is easy to pretend higher standing ... based on belief in others truth..[but come on sancho's put up some facts mate]

your numbers/game and wit are funny..[but mate].. science is serious business..when science decieves it results in life or death..

time to take the topic seriously...your faith in faulse gods and lies allows frauds to con people into blind faith..via evolution other quacks in white-coats become believable...

you been tricked,..but worse you chose to remain ignorant about it..
[but science has earned your faith]..lol

[..but ...you may have sold out to a lie]

till you test the facts yourself you will never know

KMB

The monkeys on type writers analogy I personally have only heard from proponents of creationism and ID precisely because it is so inappropriate.

The particular sonnet I chose had fewer letters, but If you combine sufficient letters you can get to 1 e1000000 etc.

However, this is not why I called it pseudo scientific drivel.

The combinations of carbon (organic chemisty) are far from random, and the conditions of early earth when replicated have produced basic amino acids, even in a beaker over a few hours.

Combine this with the fact that some proteins (see prions) are self replicating, and the process starts to look more a natural sequence of events.

Until the process is fully understood the analogy of the monkeys banging away on the type writers is closer to the creationists postings.