Dear Opiniated 2,
God is the God of can. Lucifer is the god of cant.
Which one is your God. Are you limiting God or are you looking for posiilities in all situations. What is your focal point. Is it All things are possible or is it Its impossible I can't do it. If You are not multipling you are dieing. Bad things happen to all. A friend of mine lost his only son last Tuesday to canser and he is totaly devistated. Like Job he has 2 choices. He can curse God and die or like David he can chose to worship God and live for at the end of his time in his earth suit of dirt he will again rejoin his son But his son wont come back.If you have complete understanding of the bible you must be agreat leader and the servent of ALL. Do you realy know what you are talking about.

Richie,

I am terribly saddened to hear that your friend lost his son. I too have a friend who lost his son. It is an indescribable and unimaginable pain that parents who lose children feel.

You shouldn't really mention his loss as an example in a debate on God.

You are a believer Richie BUT you are not entitled to deceive!

The Bible verses illustrate my points. You will notice I especially quote the Son of God, Jesus' teachings.

Your friend can curse God and "not die" - God is more understanding when someone loses a child! Didn't he lose a son to a crucifixion?

Why is your God so unintelligent? What is wrong with you believers?

You cannot debate the points I raise that show absolute falsehoods in the teachings, why?

I don't believe in Lucifer Richie....Lucifer(Satan) is a load of rubbish!

If God can defeat Satan anytime, and as God knows all things past, present and future why didn't he destroy Satan when Satan visited God in Heaven? Job 1:6-7

In Genesis 3:4 the snake told the truth, "man didn’t die"! Genesis 2:8 God allegedly fibbed … "if you eat…you will die the same day"!

Adam and Eve didn't die the same day!

You guys have to get away from simplistic duality, good or evil, God or Satan, it is very unintelligent stuff.

How do you explain all the errors in the Bible?

Christians believe God evicted Satan from heaven...why didn't he just kill him? Afterall according to the Bible he was allegedly quite happy to kill all the first-born of Egypt in the passover!

Exodus 12:29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.

Again Satan didn't do it...GOD did!

Could the most intelligent being ever who is the father of us all deliberately and intentionally slay so many innocents?

I say no... what do you say?

Dear Opiniated 2,
If you go back to genesis you will see that Adam and Eve didn't die physicaly but they died to God and became subjected to Satin because they chose to believe his word over Gods. When Jesus was confrunted by the devil He answered thus. " It is written devil".
He never argued he just quoted the written word. Ias 55:11 states Gods word shall acomplish what he desires.
The natural is the shadow of the spiritual not as evolutionists believe. Everything reproduces after its own kind .
We understand words as pictures. We have a concious and a subconcious mind. Programed by word and experience. Jesus came to save our mind
{reprogram it} Gods word causes faith, it shows us the way and is the
truth, it reprograms our mind so that we have the mind of Christ. The Holy Spirit came to lead us into all truth.
It is much harder to believe Gods word then it is to say it is not true and make it to mean what ever you chose. To get the truth you have to build a Relationship with God the Holy Spirit, and to recieve him you must first make Jesus your Lord.
Gods word is not complicated. Man can't understand it with an unregenerated spirit and it is nonsence to the carnal man. God is not uninteligent Proud Man is.

Foxy,

I think I owe you another apology.

Earlier in this thread I posted this http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2572&page=0#58106

I thanked you for your comment as it was very much appreciated, BUT then, I went on with the post. On re-reading it, it sounds like I took your nice comment and then turned it into a reason to lecture.

I was very appreciative of your comment and I was just commenting further on this thread. I will try to do better next time with the sectioning of my replies. I apologise!

Richie you certainly put a spin on things. The selective use of scripture is one of the problems that you Christians continue to fail in.

On one hand you guys say that this is God's word and should be taken as read but suddenly when it doesn't make sense you manipulate it to suit your argument.

To say that Adam and Eve died to God on that day is just nonsense. The Bible gets it wrong.

So now you have the mind of Christ...Well that is a mighty big statement. In fact it is a dangerous statement if you truly believe it. It is saying that you are as clever as Christ...I doubt that totally!

The reason it is much harder to believe God's word is because the Bible isn't God's word.

God's alleged word may not be complicated but most Christians don't seem to understand it.

I notice you never answer the simplest questions I ask. What are you afraid of? If you have the mind of Christ you should be given the answers!

How can a loving God smite all the first born of Egypt, but only humans and cattle?

The first born weren't stopping the Israelites leaving. God kept hardening Pharoah's heart!

If you believe that the Passoever is the truth then I'm afraid you need to study further.

A loving caring God would never do murder, and it is an insult to his name for anyone to say that he would!

Every word of every text that exists, has existed or will exist is the product of human thought unless some other being evolves capable of creating texts.

Regard yourself superior or inferior to anything within the universe. You are only part of it.

Look no further for 'miracles' than that of your consciousness and your existence. Realise you are privileged in that.

Drink freely from the well of human knowledge and contribute to it if you can.

One moment of remorse is worth more than a life of guilt.

Respect the sanctity of doubt.

Question authority.

dear Opiniated 2,
I choose to disagree with your make of the Bible so let us leave it at that. Ps I don't cherry pick the Bible but believe it to be the living word not static.