it's up to the
employer and employee to negotiate what will suit them
both
An interseting point you make foxy. Only trouble is that unless the employee gets what the union wants, which is often not the employees own demands, then your system is flawed. So much for a level playing field hay!

And belly, once again you missed my point completely, along with your friends.

Why do you think we pay the huge rates we pay now? It's because costs have blown out, land values only equate for some of the rises.

And once again you are trying to make me out as the villan employer. For the record I reward my staff well, supply thier uniforms because I want them to all look neat and tidy. Otherwaise I don't get paid as I only get paid whan sale are made, not that you would give a toss!

There are some perks though. If I want to upgrade my boat I just cut staff. Sorry couldn't help myself.

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Continued
And do you know the ironic part about it all. The employees from these large job sites often bitch and winge now because they no longer receive a tax refund as they have nothing to claim. Try explaining that to someone who can't string more than two words together! Often because they chain smoke or are intoxicated after each days work.

Meat workers are a classic agample of over done union interuption. Many of them are worse off today than they were 15 years ago all because they couldn't see the forrest for the trees but the unions just kept pushing.

And finally, who is going to pay back Mr Ruds latest 42 billon in hand outs. Remember, only 58% of us pay positive taxes. Are your guys part of that 58% or are you just ones from the 42% that take all on offer then winge. I hope he does raise the gst so you can all pay, although it will cut into my spending money!

Time to come clean guys!

The recent labour market world you have known for the past decade is about to end. Many of you are in for a reality check I would think

Forrest

"As to the matter of multiple OLO accounts being held by one user (sockpuppetry), I fear you have drawn the wrong inference from my use of the term 'duelling ground' if you thought I was making an oblique reference to 'dual identities'. This: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2063#42889 , and later posts, explains."

Thanks for posting that link, Forrest. Just had a re-read of that thread. It would have to be right up there as one of my all time favourites - along with Foxy's dinner party thread, and also a feminist thread that went on forever - can't remember its title.

I love it when you break into a little jousting and duelling! :)

rechtub if you put the same effort into understanding the issues as you did being snide you would be better informed.
This is not new, it has been law from the 1990,s
the firms are not small business mostly in fact our largest construction groups.
Like your aprons, just like your aprons, tax breaks are given to employers for these tools of the trade.
deaths and serious injury are a fact in construction, PPE is one way, not the only way, to try to stop it.
Firms sack workers for not wearing the supplied gear, and their brand name on that gear.
They want their sites to look good, leave containers with the firms name, as bill boards for years after a project.
Are you rechtub willing to admit you use any phantom to flog unions?
You flog a dead horse here bloke, every word proves my point. unions are not all bad, some claims made against them are idiotic,baseless, rubbish.
Find work cover NSW read PPE find the site of ANY of our largest construction firms, lets say ABI, or Thiess, read their PPE policy.
See it is them, NOT UNIONS who impose these rules.
I truly did you know? I expected better from you, we have crossed swords but you are no mug why the blindness on this issue?

Well belly we can go on for ever over this union issue. I have always said that unions have a place in the workforce but you must admit they go to extreems at times.

So back to the real issue, the bail out.

Why won't you and your underbellys answer my question?

*GEE can we get away from that word uniform? its PPE.*
See, you even wish to dicate how people 'speak.'
No sorry, its uniforms to me and always will be.

I see its uniforms to rehctub, too- an EMPLOYER
PPE = PAY PAY EMPLOYER

*See it is them, NOT UNIONS who impose these rules.*
Ar, belly when I get a moment, I will post the ' history ' of

PPE =PAY PAY EMPLOYER.

It tells the 'real story' of the unions part to 'introduce it. Actually they state *they couldnt do it without the unions.*

Anyway lets take a look at some of the PAY PAY EMPLOYERS rules shall we-

If an employee doesnt feel like wearing his 'uniform' hat etc if hes in the sun, and resists wearing or using PPE, then the employer must ensure correct fit:) and application :)
and that appropriate training:) and instruction has occurred.( Crikey)

If an employee continues to resist, it would be expected that the employer would take stronger action

(Yeh man rehctub, now wer`e talking buddy, they are going to be fair, so we can get tough! Yipee! )=
such as disciplinary action or *moving the employee to ANOTHER AREA*
ANOTHER AREA Mate, blimey and I needed that job out today or we will loose the order.

ANOTHER AREA. But I dont NEED him in ANOTHER AREA. I am paying him to do what I* need done. Not tell ME what he FEELS like doing!

*The employer as well as the employee could be subject to fines or prosecution for the employee’s failure to wear or use PPE.*

(Oh thats just great) so the guy gets a set on me ,refuses to wear his uniform or just feels like sitting on his arse all day and *I get fined:) Hilarious!

I hate the National party, because of their ongoing involment of cruelty to animals, but Old Joe had the answer when they cut off our power. They left elderly people to die of heat and destroyed peoples business.

He sacked the lot of the bastard boys. GOOD OLD THE OLD CROOK!IMOP