"From why women are paid less, to why mainly young single men in their late teens, early twenties commit most murders, it is all discussed and I found it all very interesting.

Any comments from those who are interested in understanding us humans and our evolution to what we are today?"

I also thought the article was interesting. It takes the correct approach when explaining human existence which is struggling upwards from the dark to achieve a better life from its point in the food chain – in other words, a trial-and-error evolutionary process.

And from the article itself:

"No one is suggesting Darwinism has all the answers to social questions. Indeed, with some, such as the role of hierarchies, it suggests there is no definitive answer at all — itself an important conclusion. What is extraordinary, though, is how rarely an evolutionary analysis is part of the process of policymaking."

This is telling me that hierarchies do not fall into the evolutionary scheme of things because they come from a higher, ordered and more enlightened consciousness. Probably unsurprisingly, it's people with this talent who have dominated policy making over the centuries by way of their superior talents and understanding ... which, in itself, is not incongruous with the Darwinist philosophy. That is, it's best for society in an upward-striving sense that the strongest should dominate their fields of endeavour.

Yabby,it was a really interesting topic and you have illicited some original insights.

I find the concept of god just another expression of human arrogrance and insecurity.You don't need religion to find spirituality.It pervades our lives daily with the people whom we interact.Life can be self fulfilling in itself,especially if we understand human motivation and the origin of our genetics.

As I've said before,space,time energy and matter are interwoven,and thus eternity is a very relative concept.We are the some total of our experiences and genetics.It is the nature of our evolving past that hardship has been the blast furance to mould our values.Civilisation and affluence has removed much of the hardship and we decay because of the loss of this tribal bonding deep in our genetic structure,that is not satisfied.So man now contrives his own conflicts to satisfy the need of tribal bonding and thus achieve security.

It seems that without some sort of hardship,we humans lose the plot and thus we continually contrive our own dilemmas,to relace those of the environment which we have overcome.

gabby revealing yet more of what he thinks he/she is quote>>Oops UOG, all those parts,just a little different shape.>>

yeah you noticed
so what happend first?
in what order do you say they evolved?
or do you say they happened at the same time?

your so clever at avoiding the fact explain how it happend
your the evolutionist

im just listing the difference but you say that we got them from apes
proove it

>>Remember how the beaks of Darwin's finches changed to
suit the environment?>>

finches into finches[no change of genus]genious[lol]

>>So you can't name me a part of the brain that humans
have,which our primate cousins don't have.>>

couldnt care less

[you claim we got the same brain[monkey brain;lol]
you explain how we evolved from the ape
[then i rebut[get it]
you made the claim[proove it]

>>Can you name me any other body parts which humans have,
which our primate cousins don't have?>>

this will prove what?
we didnt come from apes[my stance]
your stance is we did[thus you need prove it;get it?]

>>You'd be amazed at how similar
in behaviour that your long lost cousins really are.>>

yes oh chief monkey
please explain how[i allready listed the differences
[you didnt dispute them[and havnt offered a better validation of your evolution theory]

>>so you can't possibly be related to those species with whom you
share so many body and brain parts.<<

you may ape brain
you havnt proved i do

you do understand the science method right?lol

IS That is why few who understand evolution theory take the
time to explain it?.

You can't explain,your mind is already a made up monkey muddle...Fair enough,..run along with your monkey knuckles dragging in the dirt carrying your coccyx on your shoulder to quell your anxieties.

dont say you dont love this
your unable to prove a thing yet keep muddeling along like you do

UOG, your posts are a heap of gobbldeygook, I don't bother to
read them.

Great point Foxy, but it does not just apply
to humans.>> so what did foxy ask?<<It was interesting to note that "change"
doesn't necessarily mean "progress," or that greater social complexity will inevitably
produce greater human happiness.

I suppose what matters is our abilitiy to
adapt to change.>> yet gabby only responded to the final line

but its interesting his assertion[without proof]<<but it does not just apply
to humans.>> when i thought evolution was about just that change[evolution] but he/she blatently contradicts his/her own statements,[LOL]

the next gabby proof>>You start to realise the tremendous evolutionary pressure
that is placed on all these creatures, for there it's really
about survival of the fittest. If you are a leopard or
a zebra with a crook back lack or bad eyesight, you just
don't make it.<< comments on the difficulty of surviving with his monkey brain surfaced but i suppressed the easy dig

but he was back>>Sorry folks, nobody is listening and people don't want to go
over the same old stuff, over and over again. Its been done
to death on OLO.>> such a fullksome response
its easy i guess he dont read posts[see first quote]

bvut the old monkey brain came back again with his monkey idea of proof<<But as we have seen on this thread, its virtually impossible to
have a discussion about science, without a bunch of proselytising
religious freaks, some who seemingly have just learned to read
and write, invading the disussion>>

here his/her whole'evidence'is in a one post summery
so i will again finish with his own opinion
in place of they insert he/she>>They don't even understand the fundamentals of science, such
as the difference between a hypothesis, a theory and a law....That just makes the whole discusssion a bit tedious>>

not as tedious as putting up posts you claim to not even read [retro-grade monk-ey brain]
if you posted any valid proof please reveal where?

*That is, it's best for society in an upward-striving sense that the strongest should dominate their fields of endeavour.*

Rob, I don't know if its always best for society, but it certainly
seems to be the case.

*I find the concept of god just another expression of human arrogrance and insecurity*

Interesting post Arjay. The way I see the god story is this:
As human intelligence evolved, so did human anxiety. People
fear the unknown. So if lightning had struck 6 ft ahead of
somebody, they would have been terrified and tried to understand
it. Any explanation, as long as they believe it as true, will
make them feel better. It could be the rain god, sun god,
cloud god. Sacrifice one lamb or whatever and he won't strike
you. So people believe, anxiety is quelled, no more perceived
unknown, they have what makes them feel better, ie perceived
certainty.

UOG, the evidence for evolution theory is more then three words
like "god did it", it is a mountain high. If you want the proof,
go and learn about that information, that is available to all.
I gave you a link to a basic biology book, taught to students.
Have you read it?

Every credible university on the planet accepts that proof,
hundreds of thousands of academics, who understand that evidence,
accept that proof. If you can show its all nonsense then go
ahead and win a nobel prize. I remind you that when a couple
of scientists in WA showed that science was wrong about peptic
ulcers, they won a nobel prize. All knowledge in science is
tentative and can be freely challenged by anyone, including you.

But before you even try to challenge it, educate yourself as to
what is claimed in the first place. Nope, its not 350 words,
its volumes upon volumes of data and information, freely available
to those who care to learn.

Right now, all you are doing is wasting alot of peoples time.

Yabby,have a look at the movie "Zeitgeist" You can download the latest version off youtube.The long version goes for 122 minutes.Don't be put off by conspiracy theories about 911.It is well worth viewing.