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Why we are, as we are

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*We are all but one part of a wider and more complex natural system (regardless of who we think created it!). *

Pelican, absolutaly! Some years ago I was on a forum with a US
based scientist who cut open various primate brains to compare them
to human brains. They mainly relied on zoos etc for donations,when
animals died. In the case of bonobos, they are pretty rare.

His comment was that there is not a single part of a human brain,
that cannot be found in a chimp's or bonobo's brain.
Food for thought indeed!

What people tend to do is compare the achievements of 6 billion
people cooperating together, with the achievements of a single
chimp.

If we compare one for one, the results are quite different and far
less spectacular. A larger brain is simply one evolutionary
niche that we have exploited.

The result of all this cooperation means that humans push things
to the extremes and we have yet to show that it is sustainable.

Most creatures are content to just make a living.

The danger of course is that we have evolved to have a bit larger
brains, so are intelligent enough to cooperate and invent new
things, but not smart enough to avoid destroying ourselves
in the process, as the whole thing is unsustainable.

Nature's laws will dominate in the end, but we'll seemingly learn
the hard way.
Posted by Yabby, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 2:22:04 PM
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perhaps your scientist wasnt looking close enough

even human brains are 'different'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4293520.stm

Liars' brains 'are not the same'

A deceitful person's brain is different,the study suggests
Habitual liars' brains differ from those of honest people,a study says.
A University of Southern California team studied 49 people and found those known to be pathological liars had up to 26% more white matter than others.

White matter transmits information and grey matter processes it. Having more white matter in the prefrontal cortex may aid lying,the researchers said,

But the British Journal of Psychiatry said there were likely to be more differences in the brains of liars.

http://www.bio-medicine.org/biology-news/Sharp-older-brains-are-not-the-same-as-younger-brains-1988-1/

but maybe you can find some PROOF here
http://www.brainmuseum.org/

yeah looks can be decieving[supose its like racism[they all 'look' the same] but somehow apes never wrote this

you should read it [it supports some of your theory]

http://www.iep.utm.edu/b/brainvat.htm

my point in posting it
is to reveal no monkey'brain'could come up with it

looks like isnt proof, take your body [you claim 'evolved'living in it and on it are trillions of other life forms[they are what is keeping your evolved body alive[if we could kill them all we would die]

my point being is your science didnt see em,cause he wernt looking for em[did you ask how many brains he decided the resembalence on[looks like dont mean nothing [see darwins finches]

but thanks for the brain exersize in searching out your 'fact'
only to be opinion[lol
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 2:45:55 PM
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Deary me, this is what we land up with, when we have a poorly
educated religious nut, learning how to cut loose with her
google bar!

UOG, I don't want to convince you of anything. If you are
happy to go through life with Jesus on your shoulder giving
you comfort, so go right ahead, why should I object ?

I have always maintained that some people need religion
to cope with life, it helps them deal with anxiety. You
appear to be one of them.

Mind you, all your googling proved absolutaly nothing,
for you don't seem to understand much about the brain.
So I will explain it to you in terms that you might
understand.

Your car, like your brain, is made up of different
"parts", each with a function. You sit on the seats,
the wheels turn, etc. If those wheels are larger or
smaller, might affect performance, but they are still
wheels that turn.

So name me a part of the brain that you have, which
a chimp does not have?

Fact is, we humans are related to all other organisms,
down the tree of life, with common ancestors, as the
dna shows.

So you can type? Big deal lol. Fact is that if we threw
you and a chimp into their environment, such as a forest
in the jungle, the chimp would most likely thrive and
you would most likely starve.

Yup, your brain is slightly larger then that of a chimp.
So what? They are far stronger then you, they can do
things that you cannot, to earn a living, in their
environment, where they evolved.

That is exactly what natural selection and evolution theory
are all about.

But you are not interested in understanding what we know,
more concerned with showing that Jesus on your shoulder is
in fact real.

Hey, if that gets your through the night, why should I
or anybody else care?

I doubt if too many posters who do understand evolution
theory, are going to bother to educate you. It is
your job, to educate yourelf

You go girl!
Posted by Yabby, Thursday, 1 January 2009 2:24:01 PM
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'It is also a fact that fertility amongst Western white males has been declining for decades. While many explanations are worth considering, including stress, diet, repeated STDs and environmental conditions - one wonders why it doesn't apply to all men everywhere.'

I've got a theory on that, and it's nothing to do with any of those factors...
Posted by Usual Suspect, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 8:09:59 AM

Me too and the solution, in Darwinian terms, would be ADAPT.
Posted by Pynchme, Thursday, 1 January 2009 2:29:51 PM
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*Me too and the solution, in Darwinian terms, would be ADAPT.*

Nature has already adapted. As the abortion statistics show,
the problem is not creating new offspring, but feeding them.

Darwin was correct. Far more of any species will be created, then
can ever survive.

If a male is a dud, a female will have no problem in finding
another fertile male, for males seem to have evolved with the
urge to impregnate willing females.
Posted by Yabby, Thursday, 1 January 2009 2:51:25 PM
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oh gabby your so funny[you'think'the brain dont change?]
there are big differences
just between a'young brain/'old'brain

[but you dont provide links[havnt you mastered'google-search'yet eh'you poor old girl]

dont worry you will grow up
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~news/releases/2006/02/06.html

or maybe its early altzheimers on-set setting in
http://www.alzheimer.ca/english/disease/whatisit-brainchanges.htm

you know just using ya brain can make changes in it right?
http://www.dalailama.com/news.112.htm

There is a great gulf that separates the lowest man from the highest beast.Deep down in their hearts,even the evolutionists know that there is a"great gulf fixed"between the world of monkeys and apes and the world of men.

Have you ever heard of a young evolutionist proposing to a female gorilla?He knows there is a difference!

The differences between men and apes are so great that evolutionists are forced to say that man did not evolve from any monkey or ape that is living in the world today.What evolutionists now teach is that men and apes have both evolved from a'common'ancestor.

Unfortunately this"common ancestor"is no longer in the world today!

He is called"the missing link"and he is still missing!
http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/sciences/scienc8.htm

The brain of a human is normally two or three times larger than the brain of the largest ape,which is the gorilla

Man’s head is balanced on top of his spinal column The head of the ape is hinged at the front instead of on top

study 10 Physical Differences and 20 Mental,Moral and Spiritual Differences between men and animals.but you cant change[eh old girl]

Man is unique in the sophisticated way he communicates with language (using verbal language and written symbols that communicate meaning).

Animals can make different noises and sounds,but they do not use language in the way humans do!

Men have an appreciation for music and art and beauty.An animal could never paint a picture or write a song,and the animal would never be able to appreciate such things

why dont you post links?
[your posting opinion[thats why]
even human brains are divergent

http://www.sfu.ca/~dkimura/articles/britan.htm
>>until recently people thought that they looked the same.Now we know that there are also small differences in the appearance,

but back to man/monkey
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/09/010905071926.htm
http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?tid=10530&ttype=2
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 1 January 2009 4:54:34 PM
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