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Posted by pelican, Thursday, 1 January 2009 6:21:37 PM
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DO THE NUMBERS.>>the use of percentages obscures the magnitude of the differences.For example,1.23% of the differences are single base pair substitutions.
This doesn’t sound like much until you realize that it represents ~35 million mutations!..But that is only the beginning,because there are ~40–45 million bases present in humans and missing from chimps,as well as about the same number present in chimps that is absent from man. This puts the total number of DNA differences at about 125 million. However,since the insertions can be more than one nucleotide long, there are about 40 million separate mutation events that would separate the two species. It is often too difficult to determine whether the difference is a result of an insertion or a deletion and thus it is called an“indel.”Indels can be of virtually any length. To put this number into perspective,a typical page of text might have 4,000 letters and spaces.It would take 10,000 such full-pages of'text'to equal 40 million letters! So the differences between humans and chimpanzees include~35 million DNA bases that are different,~45 million in the human that are absent from the chimp and~45 million in the chimp that are absent from the human...LOL man and the apes have never had an ancestor in common.However, assuming they did for the sake of analyzing the argument,..then 40 million separate mutation events would have had to take place[and become fixed in the population in only~300,000 generations]—a problem referred to as“Haldane’s dilemma.” This problem is exacerbated because the authors acknowledge that most evolutionary'change'is due to neutral or random genetic drift.That refers to change in which'natural-selection'is not operating. Without a selective advantage,it is difficult to explain how this huge number of mutations could become fixed in the population.Instead,many of these may actually be intrinsic sequence differences from the beginning of creation. Some scientists are surprised at the anatomical,physical and behavioral differences between man and chimpanzee when they see so much'apparent'genetic similarity. With a'philosophy'that excludes a Creator God,they are forced to accept similarity as evidence of common ancestry.However,similarity can also be the result of a common Designer. It is the differences that make the difference Posted by one under god, Thursday, 1 January 2009 7:34:46 PM
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Deary me, so now our google girl is trying to count nucleotides
to prove that Jesus loves her! Here you go, get mommy to order you a copy of a book like this, to explain the basics to you. http://waylifeworks.jbpub.com/ Or perhaps God just used much the same parts to make you and other primates :) All life is related, its just a question of degree. Sad its your bad luck that chimps and bonobos are indeed close relatives, closer then chimps are to gorillas. Forget the junk dna, humans have around 30'000 genes that matter. A roughly 1% difference is nothing. *Deep down in their hearts,even the evolutionists know that* I have news for you, sunshine. Most people who have some understanding of evolution theory, also know that hearts do little but pump blood. Sure human heads are balanced differently. Unlike chimps and bonobos, their ancestors were affected by changing climate, they had to make a living outside of forests. So they became bipedal. A practical mutation, it makes it easier to walk and run. It also meant changes to the vocal system, the tongue sits further back, so they can vocalise consonants, which limits other primates, as they are stuck with vowel sounds. That does not mean that other species do not communicate. You just don't have the foggiest as to what those sounds mean :) Kanzi the bonobo is in fact smarter then some humans, but I know, you don't care and main thing is that Jesus loves you. Run along now, he's right there on your shoulder, making you feel better and less anxious. Fair enough, if that is what you need to cope with life, go for it. Coping with anxiety would be a good reason to explain the evolution of religions in the first place Posted by Yabby, Thursday, 1 January 2009 10:33:33 PM
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revealing much of'what'are gabby,your great mind was created by your environment[not your genes alone[i would google for_you,but heart-transplants are revealing more than a mere-pump is being'transplanted'
amasing things happening to]'pump'-recipiants[and dont feel i need to reveal their validity to you,why should i explain it for you? list of the differences between an anthropoid and a human?Show how they could possibly evolve from a'common ancestor';Man is the only creature with the ability to count extensively,to have a religion;a moral sense;appreciate beauty;TO have a complex language;to bury its dead,reason abstractly,manufacture machines/tools and weapons,to make articles of dress and adornment;the ability to make fire;the ability to sow and reap;to improve its appearance Man is the only creature with the delicacy and precision of touch;that enables eye-surgery[as an example] 2 A quadrupedal animal cannot be converted into a bipedal one for the following excellent reasons:The shape of the pelvis is entirely different.In man it is broad, low,and basin-shaped.In the apes,its broad axis is from back to front In man,its width from one iliac crest to the other is greater than its height.In apes,it is the other way round. The pubic symphysis is short in man,long in apes..In man the lower part of the pelvis is almost equally distributed in front of and behind the socket bone.In apes it is inserted much further back,to permit the forward bending posture. The special features of the human pelvis appear early in embryonic development,and are not preceded by conditions even resembling those that prevail in apes..The large ilia,broad pelvis and well-developed spines all serve to give us our erect posture. 3 The coccyx is longer in human beings than in anthropoid apes (4 fused in humans,3 fused in apes)..The human coccyx is placed lower than in the ape.It reaches almost to the end of the pubic symphysis, involving the production of a transverse perineum,as opposed to the oblique one of the ape.The absence of a tail in man is due to the impedance it would offer to movement in an upright posture. The straight legs of man are unique to man.Those of the anthropoids cannot be straightened.... Posted by one under god, Friday, 2 January 2009 10:47:36 AM
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..Man'is the'only'fully-plantigrade-primate...The'foot'presses on the ground at_three-points which form'the pillars'of a double-arch...In the anthropoids,only the outer-edge of the'foot'presses on the ground when the animal is'standing'.
In the apes,the relative-lengths of the fingers are'similar'to those of the toes...The first-toe of the ape is opposable to the others...Those'four'are bound together by a broad-band of'fibre'known as the'transverse-metatarsal/ligament...In man,this'ligament'includes the big toe,and so binds..all 5 toes together. The axis-vertebra is absolutely-vertical in man...In the apes it is oblique...In order that that the head may'rest'on the spine in the vertical axis,the spinal-column is curved to the front in the neck region,..then it curves backwards and then forward in the lumbar region.This last curve is exhibited by no-other animal. The arm is relatively much'shorter'than that of any_anthropoid,and the'ratio'of the length of the upper to the forearm is lower. The human arm hangs'differently'from that of any anthropoid:the thumb points forward....In the apes,it points inward. Man’s'thumb'is much bigger than that of the apes.The transverse-lines on the palms run obliquely,rather than transversely as in the apes. The'scapula'is applied to the back of the thorax in man.In other animals it is applied to the side of the thorax..The socket for the insertion of the humerus faces outwards in man.In the apes,it faces downwards. Man is unique;among land animals in not possessing a covering of hair or fur...unlike other animal,..has to adopt clothing to retain heat and ward off cold. The absence of hair ..the young anthropoid clings to the hair of its mother..the bed of fat beneath the skin,the legs being longer than the arms,the large size and permanent separation of the nasal bones in man,..the shortness of the external ear,the human brachial artery lying below the median nerve,......the lack of sexual-differentiation in the teeth,the premolar-teeth of man having fewer roots than the anthropoids....The premolar/teeth of man have usually only one root,In the anthropoids/monkeys each upper/premolar has 3 roots and each lower two roots. Sexual/female;anatomy is also different.In other animals,the vagina is parallel to the abdomen.In the human-female it is tilted backwards because of the upright posture. there is nothing to indicate human'common-descent'from a common_ancestor of'any'description. http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/207 . Posted by one under god, Friday, 2 January 2009 10:59:13 AM
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Oops UOG, all those parts, just a little different shape.
Remember how the beaks of Darwin's finches changed to suit the environment? So you can't name me a part of the brain that humans have, which our primate cousins don't have. Can you name me any other body parts which humans have, which our primate cousins don't have? You sound as ignorant as some of those bantu in Africa, who were eating pygmies "as they can't possibley be human". If you were interested, you'd not only learn about biology, but also about primatology. You'd be amazed at how similar in behaviour that your long lost cousins really are. But ignorance is of course bliss! Jesus loves you, so you can't possibly be related to those species with whom you share so many body and brain parts. That is why few who understand evolution theory take the time to explain it to you. You don't want to learn, your mind is already made up. Fair enough, run along with Jesus on your shoulder to quell your anxieties. Posted by Yabby, Friday, 2 January 2009 12:11:38 PM
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There are many similarities between brains in the mammal and animal kingdom as well as many differences but primarily all brains function to control behaviour. What we do and think from breathing, eating to decision making and higher functions.
I would think arguing about the differences in liars' brains or any other is irrelevant. For example, some people are more left brain thinking and some more right. Some people are better at maths and some are better at writing poetry or painting.
OUG's example about liars' brains does not validate his/her overall argument.
Even within species there will be some biological variation otherwise natural selection would not occur. Natural selection and evolution depends upon genetic variation to ensure the survival of a species in adapting to a changing world.