*I suppose what matters is our abilitiy to
adapt to change.*

Great point Foxy, but it does not just apply
to humans. Every creature needs to make
a living somehow. Some are specialists,
they need specific food, specific environments
where they live etc. Others are generalists,
they adapt constantly and the numbers show the
results.

Compare say the Panda, which is a specialist,
with the rat, which is a generalist. The numbers
say it all! Rats show that intelligence can
get you a long way as an evolved survival trait,
even if you don't have the muscles.

I was watching a documentary today, about the animals of the
Serengeti. It showed the competition that went on between
the various big cats, cheetahs, lions, leopards and their
cubs, then the various herbivores and their interaction.

You start to realise the tremendous evolutionary pressure
that is placed on all these creatures, for there it's really
about survival of the fittest. If you are a leopard or
a zebra with a crook back lack or bad eyesight, you just
don't make it.

Yabby,study the Chimps our closest rels.They are very territorial, omniverous and murderous.They will kill a rival tribe and eat them.They will kill just for power and territory.Does this remind you of another species?Chimps are also very loving,intelligent etc.

In the reality of survival of the fittest we have young males full of testosterone,very insecure who want to prove their aspiring alpha male status.Yes,they do on occasions murder when they feel excluded by the tribe.

In our global tribe there is even more insecurity.The greatest threat is to be excluded by the tribe,since this in the chimp world means certain death.

In our world we have have no rights of passage for young aspiring males and there is even more uncertainty as to the role in which they play in society.Increasingly their role models are confusing and conflict with the male genes which they have inherited.People need a purpose and role models,they also need to be rewarded for their efforts.Our modern society does not satisfy these basic tribal needs,hence we are beseiged by dysunctional people with mental disorders.
Our modern society has progessed too quickly and we basically do not have the time to adapt.Extinction by our own hand is looming.

Arjay, yup studying primatology is pretty interesting and certainly
tells us quite a bit about humanity!

Yup, tribes of chimps are quite similar in terms of aggression and
territorialism etc, as are human tribes that have been discovered
in South America, New Guinea etc. Chimps will patrol the boundaries
of their territory. I was aware that they killed those of other
tribes, but not that they ate them.

The other species which is as close to us as chimps (98.4% in dna
terms), but evolved seperately are a species called the bonobo,
or pygmy chimp. They only live in the Congo South of the Congo
River and there are sadly not many left.

Their's is actually a matriarchel society, where females dominate.
If they meet a neighbouring tribe, rather then kill them, they all
copulate. In fact copulation is used as a dispute resolution
system, so they are the originators of the "make love not war"
motto :)

I was curious as to why females dominate and I can only conclude
that because of all this easy sex, the males have nothing to
fight over, besides they would be too buggered and happy with life
to care :)

Why we are, is what we make it to be....
But here is some of the "why we are" (my thoughts?)

1. Main one is GREED.
2. Food, because we have to eat.
3. Sex, because most of us need to do it..
4. Drugs, Well,,,, It speaks for it self??

clearly one of you [yabby] wont get what im saying

but he dont even read my posts anyhow[funny how i read hers][but guess thats just the difference between her and me][she thus wont get what im saying here][so pretends to not read em

but here is the index of darwins origen of the species
[note its not darwins origin of genus]

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/charles_darwin/origin_of_species/

and here is its glossery[so please reveal where 'evolution' is concieved [or even mentioned]

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/charles_darwin/origin_of_species/Glossary.html

but what is words right[we use them so unthinkingly as revealed by yabby in her quote

>>''too buggered and happy with life
to care :)''

as he dont read my posts i wont explain to her the meaning of buggery[it would go over her head anyhow]would you marry you gabby?

how come you cant even stick with what you say
[you dont read my posts remember?]

mate you just cant re-butt what is being said in em
cheers for now

one under god, I don't read your posts either, because they're very difficult to follow. You usually don't stick to a single train of thought, instead you jump in many directions.
Plus, the lack of grammar makes them difficult to read.

You say people don't read your posts because of a particular motive, but I read posts by people I seriously disagree with all the time. Hell, take note of how many of boaz's posts I've read, despite them all stating the same theme.

'Buggered' is common Australian vernacular. We're all well aware of what the origin of the word means, but most are aware that it can also just be a harmless slang word for 'tired' or 'sick of' or even 'bugger off' can mean leave.

It's a pretty well known piece of Australian slang, and it's not some dig at Christianity or wowsers, for that matter, but if it makes wowsers get their knickers in a knot, then bugger them. I consider that a bonus.