Hi Nicky

I feel a bit like the meat in the sandwich here
(No pun intended). You confuse farmers with in my opinion low life’s like Emanuel s Live Shipping agents Elders, Landmark, AWB = the dozens of other live animal shipping agents. These are NOT farmers. They are not even men.

Through our eyes we can’t do it without the Yabby’s of this world
.Pls hear me out.

Yabby’s correct when he says Animal Welfare
Groups do not understand the problems or what’s required to fix this.

The past Governments cleverly pitched animal welfare groups
Against farmers and visa versa... (The old saying united we stand- divided we fall).

‘Nothings changed.’

Governments never wanted farmers to have any independent support from the public or city folk.

That’s why Farmers Federation MLA Austrade etc supposedly to look after farmer’s interest. ‘yeh sure’
.
In truth the farmers were betrayed while our Government flooded the country, with cheap imports which much forced them into a single desk to sell their stock.
(A very cruel single desk).The world of the trade dollar- Live Animal Exports.)

Farmers are a loyal proud. Even today most old timers wouldn’t accept for eg- their hero Kerry Packer helped to sell them out.

In their trust when mans handshake was his word they followed blindly. They never asked the pertinent questions- (after all they were farmers) and left all that political mumbo jumbo to those strange men in the city called politicians.

So people like Kerry who brought plants and provided employment in regional areas were worshiped.

The sad truth was he along with others gained supply of stock, contacts, control ,helped by grants for regional -then closed plants leaving people unemployed unable to pay their mortgages or send their kids to school and wrote everything off as a tax loss- then picked up on trade dollars.

With the close ties of Howard Downer Vaile etc they worked with the shipping agents to take control.

We need all animal welfare groups to learn from farmers- talk with them- listen to them before we can criticise.

TBC

Continued.


It took all long time, for the industry, and the Government, to get things the way they are.
It’s been many years, of political twists and turns. Mostly the victims have been the farmers, apart from of course the animals.

Remember in the beginning, it was the farmers, that blocked the trucks, and threw a few punches, protesting about the way animals were treated, and taking jobs from regional areas.

The then labour Government brought the army in. We city folk didn’t help them or support them in anyway. They didn’t stand a chance as we got on with our city lives.

Look what’s happening even now with Ms Wong and our farmer’s water.
Nicky if we allow the Rudd Government to chase off smaller farmers all our animals will be intensive and controlled by the cruel operators. You can forget free range.

The answer is to push Rudd to expand the regional areas supplying aboriginal and country people with infrastructure and let them hold ownership.

Chicken and pork will increase because of the world recession opening opportunities for Rudd to place migrants into regional areas with skilled labour trainers.

Even Lyn White stressed she didn’t blame all farmers but the live shipping agents and the Government for not stopping it and fazing it out with chilled meat only.

.The farmers are just as stuck as the animals and people like you and I.

Yabby gave you the answer Nicky

If Govts want things processed locally, they are free to change
The conditions, like getting rid of red tape, etc, to do more
Locally
Posted by Yabby, Sunday, 2 November 2008 5:10:50 PM

PALE, I am sure there are some farmers who do not subscribe to this cruelty. But there are COUNTLESS farmers who are breeding animals specifically for this trade (think specific types of sheep and cattle).

Where was the concern for the meat workers, and the businesses in regional towns where meat processing was the only, or the major employer? Their concern was for their own "get rich quick" ambitions, next year's SUV, and their ferals in boarding schools. Don't expect me to have any sympathy for them. And go under they will. It may take time, but it will happen. International pressure will help in this.

As I understand it from the latest media reports, Animals Australia is attempting to engage with farmers about this (personally, I think they're giving them to much credit, they would have to be on another planet not to know what goes on). The fact that they continue to breed the animals - FOR THIS MARKET, not for domestic purposes - is a clear indication of how little it matters to them.

These people - particularly in WA - have founded their businesses on amoral cruelty and greed, and for that they are being judged. Read the comments in the recent news articles in the various journals.

Nicky

Nicky
They are breeding specifically to meet the requirements of buyers ‘Yes’
That’s no different, if you were running a dress shop for brides.


They are HAPPY to have them slaughtered here. All they want it some fair competition to be assured of ongoing secure prises.



It`s up to us to introduce new blood.

We will have our own Halal accredited farms that they will have to comply with – or loose their accreditation.



The Animals need people who care put in charge of making sure all accreditation requirements are followed.



*Where was the concern for the meat workers, .....

No no, Nicky. Abattoir work is very hard and the industry itself is tough.
Nobody gets rich quickly in meat works trust me. Of ‘course’ their concerns was for their kids just like the city slickers.


But Nicky ‘without these men’ animals will continue to go ‘alive.

It’s either help the farmers by ‘forcing~ the Government to cut the red tape’ making abattoirs in Australia viable or cop more live exports.

Most Australians would happily agree to pay a sub from their taxes to support slaughtering here as well.

They WONT win if they protest abattoirs and people eating meat.

I am absolutely delighted Animals Australia is going down that road (thanks for sharing.)



* The fact that they continue to breed the animals - FOR THIS MARKET, not for domestic purposes - is a clear indication of how little it matters to them.*

Nicky they don’t care which market there are sold into. Providing they get a FAIR price. The only reason they are not going domestic is the corruption IMO through AQIS who CONTROL the accreditation for export licences to protect their friends in the live shipping industry.

*These people - particularly in WA -....
Yes Nicky the companies owned with direct ties ARE Evil but here`s some good new from me now-

(You may laugh but spells were put on all people directly involved in live animal exports.

Over one hundred witches world wide took place-

The stone wall circle was used.( "The most powerful")

watch!

Attention: Animal groups + members of public.

Your presence required on 'open day' at the Dalby RSL November 19. The Labour State Government DPI Department to IMO promote Animal Cruelty with friends LANDMARK.

http://qcl.farmonline.com.au/news/state/livestock/cattle/investment-options-for-feedlotters/1350547.aspx?src=enews

It seems the DPI devlopment officer Grag Bath wants people to do their own research into the pros and 'CONS' of the feed lot industry.
Seminar presenters include:

John Malone (Landmark) –
David Brown (West Talgai Feedlot) –
Dr Kev Sullivan (Bell Vet Services) – Feedlot animal health and welfare.

Dr Rob Lawrence ??

Dr Matt George ??

Peter Robson for feedlot ration and liquid supplements for backgrounding operations.

Roger Sneath (DPI&F) – for feedlots.

Rob Taylor (Ausmeat) – Feedlot accreditation and Quality Assurance.

Mr Mitch Furness (DPI&F) – approval process.

Feedlots:

Feedlots are those areas in which cattle and sheep are held in close confinement and where food and drink must be artificially supplied.

* We dont see any RSPCA officers invited or Animal Welfare groups.*
http://www.rspcaqld.org.au/campaigns/policies/farmanimals.htm#feedlots

The RSPCA is 'opposed' to confinement of animals in circumstances that unreasonably restrict their movements and normal behavioural patterns that are of importance to that species.



RSPCA Australia does 'not' accept management procedures.



RSPCA QLD
RSPCA Australia demands that operation of feedlots should be thoroughly regulated
www.rspcaqld.org.au/campaigns/policies/farmanimals.htm - 58k -

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&cr=countryAU&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=rspca+feedlots&spell=1

PALE demands the government divert all feed lots to creek fed.

EVERY FEEDLOT Government assists in setting up via foriegn aid programe is another diversion of our jobs and tax payers funds that should be put into building our own value adding factories in Australia.
A urgent and dramatic reassesment of Australia livestock is called for NOW!
Australia requires far- sighted and brave political leaders, to stand up to powerful lobbies of vested interests.

Feedlots are just PLAIN CRUEL and uncalled for!


Any investors into feedlots MUST hear both sides of the story and FACTS from our vets and animal welfare groups!

Landmark must have put the DPI THROUGH THEIR INTENSIVE course and maybe Kevin Rudd to get away with this ah'.
A few words from one of the thousands now speaking out about LANDMARK=

http://www.teknoscape.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=2918

Sheesh, no wonder hardly anybody takes the animal welfare threads
seriously, this could be straight from Comedy Central!

Gerturde is turning to witchcraft to throw its magic spell,
whilst Nicky spews her bile of hatred for farmers, to make
it plain where she stands.

Never mind that sheep farmers earn less for their labour then
city slickers, never mind that they fight droughts, floods,
bushfires, market calamities, never mind that they generate
valueable exports to keep Australia afloat, Nicky hates them
as she clearly explains.

I've got a bit of news for you Nicky dear. Livestock have
been grazing grass and turning it into human food, for as
long as we can figure out and that is not about to change
tomorrow, for its as natural as night following day.

Fanatics like yourself, who simply don't understand the big
picture, can wish all you want, protest all you want, argue
all you want, sweet dreams, for that is all you will have.

No wonder that you are largely ignored by the large majority.