Yes Nicky, Tony Burke did chip a million $ of Govt money towards
the farmer campaign to improve animal welfare in the Middle East.
Good on him, for anyone concerned about animal welfare should be
thrilled. Clearly you don't care about ME animals, or you would
be thrilled too.

Given that Govts spent 110 million $ to bring the pope here, to
which I strongly objected, I think money spent on animal welfare
is a much better, sadly it was only 1 million.

If you or anyone else thinks that millions are being lost in GDP,
you are free to buy those livestock and slaughter them here. It
is not unreasonable that the farmer who produced the livestock,
should get a share that allows him to make a living and feed the
family. Nobody is stopping you from slaughering animals right here,
right now. Go ahead!

What we do object to is you trying to use politics, to force WA
farmers to sell to a captive market at any price and write off
150 million $ a year, due to your pet theories, which are unsubstantiated.
Then, if farmers go broke in the process, that
suits your agenda in the first place. Think again!

When the Saudi market was closed and that was only Saudi, the price
of sheep collapsed and hundreds of thousands had to be trucked
East, for thousands of Km. It was that or dig pits for them.
You might not care about those little problems but I certainly do.

I've given away a truckload of sheep before, as it was cheaper then
shooting them, so I know the consequences of your intended actions.

Fact is that on any given weekend, tens of thousands of Australian
hobby farmers regularly slaughter their own sheep and lambs.
If you think that things are much different to what happens in the
ME, you know zilch about the Australian countryside. Their legs
are tied and their throats are cut.

Hi All


Yes God 'is' watching

Ludwig,
Re your comment
*We’re not ....=
Better position than you think.

Rudd promised two things.

1. To invest 40 billion dollars into infrastructure.

2 To increase intake of migrants.



It isn’t true Muslims require animals alive.

A few months ago meeting to discuss animal welfare was hosted on the Gold Coast. They flew in Muslim reps from overseas.

As Australian Muslim leaders, lodged subs, to the Senate enquiry for Animal Welfare, you would have to wonder, why they brought in outsiders.?



Australian Muslim leaders also put out media releases ‘pleading’ with the Government and ‘media’ to report the reasons for live exports ‘honestly’

It’s not hard to start reopening abattoirs to slaughter here.

http://www.livexports.com/afic.html

Yabby

Tony Burke has zero knowledge on farming. Nor does his advisor. Now Kerry Obrion told the Australian public they received more letters about live exports from the Australian public than any other issue.

That was at the time supported by Rudd.

At times you say, you have written 'long' letters, to voice opinions to Government that they should stop blocking plants with red tape through MLA to reopen abattoirs.

You claim the biggest problem for farmers in Australia is lack competition to fletchers. I agree.

Then you say there is nothing wrong with sending off all our raw material.

Well how on earth do you propose we fix the problem that (you pointed in the first place) if you then turn around and support the people shipping off our raw materials. Huh.

Australia is not such a desperate country we have to trade an extra twenty bucks a head to inflict enormous suffering to our own Animals.

Shame on anybody who support this vile trade. The trucking companies will just have to update to cold rooms.

Its time the Government told Landmark AWB Elders + few others to get off their greedy buts and invest in Australia or head for the high seas.

Hello Banjo
Always interested in your comments.
I wanted the opportunity to share with you some other factors you may not be aware of .

Investors ‘will’ put up funds to reopen facilities.
http://www.halakindmeats.com/
http://www.halaljournal.com/?page=article&act=show&pid=2443&PHPSESSID=bc7f8489b95

However they do require confidence in the Australian Government that they will be fair an offer equal support for the the red meat industry as well as live.

Kevin Rudd praised David Palmer while those others ask serious questions that arrogantly go unanswered


Pls read link to learn more about the unfairness of red verses live.
http://www.austbeef.com.au/

As well Banjo farmers don’t know how many times companies from Malaysia ME and other destinations have contacted FF and others to enquire as to how they can invest in abattoirs in Australia and meet the farmers . I do know.

The WA pasture group have tripped over themselves avoiding people like this and any contact from our company as well.
They are too busy looking after their protected interests and working with the live shipping agents.
All we have ever asked for is be treated the same as the live animal agents.
The rest will take care of itself.
MLA head Ian Ross personally called me from ME to inform me NOTHING would be put to the ME buyers that conflicted with live exports.
Mark Vaile as Minister of trade in his time used to personally arrange ship loads of live animals to Kuwait. Everybody knew that was his baby according to MLA.
So there you have it Banjo
Unfair treatment to the red meat industry Landmark AWB Elders MLA etc... Protect the Live shipping agents at all costs because they control the votes the political donations etc.

Isn`t that right Mr Rudd.

http://www.livexports.com/cowgun.html

*Now Kerry Obrion told the Australian public they received more letters about live exports from the Australian public than any other issue.*

So what if they received more letter? Any smart politician would
well be aware of the huge propaganda campaign, which includes letter
writing, being conducted and encouraged by vegans like Nicky etc.
Propaganda generated noise in no way equates to genuine concern,
it equates to much propaganda by a noisy few.

Of course we should export our raw materials, just as we should
process locally. There is not one market for any thing, there are
many markets. We export iron ore, we export coal, but we also export
steel.

We export lamb and we export mutton, but we also export live sheep.
There are all sorts of markets out there and there is no good reason
why they should not compete and pay attention to what clients want.
Forcing producers of any primary product to accept captive markets
where these are not exposed to competition, is all about idealogy,
not about good business practise.

If Govts want things processed locally, they are free to change
the conditions, like getting rid of red tape, etc, to do more
locally

Selective perceptions ah Yabby.

Poor little lamb, you get yourself tied up in knots sometimes.

*Now Kerry O’Brien told the Australian public they received more letters about live exports from the Australian public than any other issue.*

Yes that is correct Yabby- That’s what he said along with Kevin Rudd.

I don’t know about politicians being too smart in general but if you think so I will take that onboard. (It will help us all to understand you)

Just to set the record straight. He said letters from the Australian public.


*Of course we should export our raw materials, just as we should
Process locally.*-

Yes I agree Yabby

*There is not one market for any thing, there are many markets*.
*We export iron ore, we export coal, but we also export
Steel.*
Your right again Yabby.

*We export lamb and we export mutton, but we also export live sheep*.

You’re correct again.

*There are all sorts of markets out there and there is no good reason
Why they should not compete and pay attention to what clients want.*

STOP - wrong.

There 'is a good reason not to treat our living creatures as commodities such as iron or coal. They are living feeling animals.

We should not just send whatever clients want. We have a moral obligation to living animals we breed. Also its untrue overseas wont take chilled bodies.

The only reason live exists is because of the live traders see no difference between iron coal or car tyres and live animals.

The only people forcing anybody is MLA driving the meat industry to favour live trade?

Give red meat a fair go. At least equal opportunities, like as you said, by cutting some red tape, to make it a fairer playing field, to allow skilled migrants in to train regional people for starters.
PROMOTE our wonderful country and invite some migrants and countries. to invest in value adding

Australia is NOT prepared for the challenges to come. We need to get away from Welfare.

Open regional and aboriginal areas and put factories, plants.

What seems to be a permanent blind spot with Yabby is that we are talking gross animal abuse here. A century or so ago, people trafficked in human animals, now people are trafficking in non-human animals in disturbingly similar conditions. Time, the international community and future generations will judge us for that.

Perhaps it is a measure of Yabby's intelligence that he thinks that there is an intelligent politician of his persuasion. Tony Burke and Kevin Rudd lurch from crisis to crisis trying to placate whichever sector in the community is the loudest. Unfortunately for Australian animals, that is the greedy farmers and exporters at this time, but if you read the commentaries at recent articles in the farming rags, you will see a pronounced and exponential change in community perceptions. Put simply, in your terms, Yabby, no-one believes any of the claptrap any more.

But having said that, I have no intention of going over the same tired old arguments (with Yabby) again; we have heard it ALL BEFORE!

Nicky