Porky: << can you find anything on a par with the regular mockery and ill feeling of "You insufferable godbotherer" from CJ? >>

Can you find where I've said that, or anything equivalent to it, on this thread? Granted, it's probably been warranted, but I thought I'd let you hoist yourself on your own petard. In case you hadn't noticed, about the only one who agrees with you on this issue is your godbothering handmaiden.

I've only called you an insufferable godbotherer when you've been unusually OTT. In this thread you've pretended that the ritual incantation of the Christian prayer in our parliaments is a question of tradition for you, rather than a religious one, in which case you've been more of a hypocrite than an overt godbotherer.

It's always amusing when Porky adopts an injured persona in this forum, given the number of posts he's devoted over the years to vilifying anybody who doesn't subscribe to his very peculiar worldview.

Polycarp to SPIKEY 6 November 2008:

“I was not exactly surprised at your post about 'criticism of others' but.. I'm curious, can you find a nice juicy chunk of my posts which criticise 'others' in a personal way? or.. is it just that when you read cricitism of a faith or an idea, your brain just goes 'TILT' and you process that as 'personal' condemnation?"

Let’s see – over the past week or so on a couple of threads (if I had the time and could be bothered, I’d dig deeper and also look at his alter ego BOAZ).

“I've let loose a bit on John Pilger.. (confession)” Polycarp, 6 November 2008

“I criticize Rev Tim Costello for his THUMPING great salary” Polycarp, 5 November 2008

“Hi Exammy.. u do like to snigger don't you :) Hmmm..I imagine you like old Steptoes dad...” Polycarp, 31 October 2008

“Foxy… please don't poke your tongue out at ur neighbours, they might not come to help when the next intruder invades and you scream” Polycarp, 31 October 2008

“You are perceived as beligerant because you are…”Polycarp, 30 October 2008

“Robert.. 'my mind' ? hmm I detect a bit of self righteous sermonizing there also.”
Polycarp, 4 November 2008

“Once again.. a-gain.. you seek to turn a serious thread into beligerance and mockery against a person. Cheap...low.. shabby.. etc etc etc. Let me expand on your (barely) contribution to the topic (rather than sink to the bottom feeder/creeping thing level of constantly reminding people about things they themselves freely disclosed oh.. about 2 or 3 yrs ago?)” Polycarp, 31 October 2008

“BELLY (with his self confessed HUGE pot) will be wandering around Swanston st in SPEEDO'S.. oh.. aargh.. yikes... the thought alone is enough to make me seek therapy :)”
Polycarp, 31 October 2008

Now, about brains that just goes 'TILT'? Who was it who said: "We all need to look to ourselves before criticising others"?

Hi CJ I'm at a loss "OTT"? please expand.

Spikey.. I think you're confusing 'boistrous interaction' with personal criticism. Quoting Belly's own words about his pot belly hardly rates as personal criticism..I was illustrating a point about attire not picking on Belly.

Let me make it more narrowly focused. Have I called you a derogatory name? U've been pretty full of vitriol against me.. I don't recall calling you anything bad .. perhaps u can help here.

What you showed is that once you get an idea in your head, you will resort to almost any lengths to prove it right.... giving Foxy a dig is not exactly personal criticism of a hurtful nature... is it?

Personal criticism I find unnacceptable is this kind "You don't see it because you are a moron/racist/islamophobe/fill in the blank" -that kind of attack. It's the 'you are' bit which is where my opponents tend to vere off the straight an narrow of debating the actual issue.

On Tim Costellow.. it was Pericles who ferreted out his salary..then when I read his criticism of another Christian for a high salary, it behoves we of the faith to point out such things which can damage our image. If I just protected Tim and justified it.. you would be more likely to attack me for bias and simply protecting my own.

CJ.. why do you say it's hypocritical to discuss the Lords prayer here? I've clearly stated that I find no compelling Biblical argument for it to be there.. I just like it. What's hypocritical about that?

David says "Personal criticism I find unnacceptable is this kind "

Yet I don't notice him rebuttink his good mate runner for the same. Nor correcting buddy Gibo for it.

Oh that's right when fundies do things they are inspired by god and good things, it's only when others do so that the actions are wrong. Likewise when other people's ancient texts say bad things about non believers thats bad but when David's prefered ancient texts do the same thats just gods loving kindness and justice.

David, you and your fundy mates promote a faith that is supposed to transform you, that is supposed to produce fruit which is outwardly visible, which is supposed to value truth and according to Gibo which is supposed to produce good mental health.

Other posters are frequently reminded by your little group how vile non believers are and how your Jesus would make such a difference. It seems justified to point out how little about youu online persona's is something those seeking further personal development would look to as an example or aspire to. You and your kin claim a moral high ground
which you clearly show you don't have a clue about.

Maybe if you took more care with the truth in your posts, took the effort to seperate your faith from your passion for violence and prefered dislikes things might be different. Maybe if you made the effort to rebuke (in love of course) your compatriates in their excessses of nastyness oand or extremist ideas things might be different.

But no you sit in silence while runner sprays his obvious hatred around. You sit in silence while Gibo expounds on very extreme ideas prefering the appearance of solidarity to the risk of public disagreement. (I hope that you don't agree with much that he posts, if you do the bretho's have slipped a long way).

If you are claiming that your side has something that the rest don't have then you need to do something about the evidence.

R0bert

Polycarp

It was your text that advised us all: "We all need to look to ourselves before criticising others".

When I suggested that this was hypocritical cant on your part, you challenged me to find in your posts anything that criticised others in a personal way.

When I found several within the space of a week in your most recent postings, you immediately complained that I was "confusing 'boistrous interaction' with personal criticism".

So when WE attack your postings it's 'personal criticism'; but when YOU attack other people it's 'boistrous interaction'. Nice double standard.

It seems you are incapable of looking at yourself with any detached objective judgement.

"I don't recall calling you anything bad'" you say, " .. perhaps u can help here."

Well how about suggesting that "...when you (i.e. Spikey) read cricitism of a faith or an idea, your brain just goes 'TILT'"?

If you can't take it, Polycarp, may I respectfully suggest you stop dishing it out (and then denying that you are)? It really trashes your credibility.

Porky: << Hi CJ I'm at a loss "OTT"? please expand. >>

It's shorthand for 'over the top' - you know, like when you gratuitously interject some biblical quotation into an unrelated discussion.

<< CJ.. why do you say it's hypocritical to discuss the Lords prayer here? I've clearly stated that I find no compelling Biblical argument for it to be there.. I just like it. What's hypocritical about that? >>

You're right. I should have said it's disingenuous - as if the reason you "just like it" is somehow divorced from your fundamentalist Christianity. It's also a really dumb argument, somewhat reminiscent of Pauline Hanson's "I don't like it", but in reverse.