Excellent stuff, Ludwig and Bronwyn. I'm going camping and fishing this weekend, and marshmallows and waffles would be great if my GP would permit such carbohydratic excess. Apparently red wine's OK though.

We'll have to reserve an OLO corner of Hell - it'll be quite a party!

Socratease - get a life.

No Bronwyn...I've not dissappeared....

On forgiveness.. I take the Lords position.

He did speak about it being important and made our own forgiveness dependant on our willingness to forgive others.

One thin usually missed in all this is that forgiveness is preceeded by REPENTANCE.... I shout it :) because very few people seem to tweak to this.

In our own cases... the Gospel includes "Repent...and believe".

In fact it might be said that the first word of the Gospel is.. 'repent'.

As for the Bali Bombers..I don't forgive them..nor to I condemn them .. they are in Gods' hands... and he will sort them out.
They did not do anything to me personally... but if they had.. my forgiveness would be based on repentance. (theirs)

Would you forgive Hitler if he said he believed..but then went on killing Jews as if nothing had happened?
So..forgiveness outside of repentance is rather meaningless.

JUDGEMENT... it seems some have made the mental slip of thinking WE are judging others? Please re-read my post about it. WE are our own judges.. our words and responses will judge us. I don't need to.
We point out...that when the offer of salvation is given, that to reject it is to judge ones-self.

TOPIC.. yes :) it has indeed run it's course...