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Islam Watch refutes Irfan Yusuf on Ramadan Jihad

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It is unfortunate that instead of debating Polycarp, many are indulging in Polycarp bashing, using ad hominem arguments. They are unable to rebut the proofs provided by Polycarp that the Koran advocates violence against non-Muslims especially Jews and Christians.

The common thread linking the killing of non-Muslims and raping of women in many of the Muslim-majority regions all over the world is proof of the fact that the Koran incites violence.

That this is so is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt by an ex-Muslim Dr. Sami Alrabaa,

“There are more than one billion Muslims around the world, and I’m one of them. We are told that the Koran is the “word of God”. When you read the Koran, however, … you find out that it is full of passages that incite to hatred, killing, and discriminate against women.”

Dr. Alrabaa gave quoted at least 20 verses to substantiate what he claimed.

http://europenews.dk/en/node/13862

He also pointed out that Muslim school children in Arab countries and Saudi-run schools in Western cities and also some Indonesian schools are taught to hate non-Muslims, and Jews in particular. Examples are

” A Muslim who kills an apostate or someone who commits adultery is not punished.”

” If a Muslim kills an infidel or a slave, he is not punished.”

” If a Muslim man, father, or grandfather kills someone from his offspring, he is not punished.”

http://www.kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=MTU5Nzk1NjkyMw

It is about time to classify the Koran a hate-book and to protect children from committing hate crimes by allowing only those above 18 to enter a mosque.

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Posted by Philip Tang, Saturday, 18 October 2008 5:44:17 AM
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Dr. Alrabaa related his experience in a mosque.

‘…Then Gharaballi turned to another page in the Koran and read,

"… and kill them [he explained this to mean unbelievers, especially the Jews] wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you" (Surah 2, verse 191). "What are you waiting for?" he cried. "Allah Himself is telling us kill them. No peace can be made with the Jews."

After the prayers, I approached Gharaballi in the cafeteria of the mosque and asked him if he was serious about what he had preached. "Of course, I am. This is not any book. This is the word of Allah."

http://islam-watch.org/Sami/Radical-Muslims-of-Germany.htm
Posted by Philip Tang, Saturday, 18 October 2008 5:46:49 AM
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Dear Pericles... I have nothing to publically repudiate because you have set up a very fluffy straw man and expect me to bite on it.

<<The other side of the same coin is that every Muslim must, as far as you are concerned, by definition be on a mission to kill all unbelievers.>>

Where have I EVER said "Muslims, when obedient to their holy book must kill all unbelievers" [? x 1000]

I have often quoted Surah 9:29 which says

FIGHT (unbelievers)
UNTIL
THEY ARE SUBJUGATED. .. (under Islamic rule and pay the Jizya unless they become Muslims).

That's what the verse says..and that's what I say.

FRACCY.. notttttt so fast their girl :) now.. you aim your question at ME.. "meek mild loving" etc.. but let me ask YOU... can you lovingly, meekly and mildly accept ME and my views? :) aaaaaah....

No of course you can't, but that does not mean that you HATE me.. I hope.. just as my position on various social issues does NOT mean that I "Hate" people. There seems to be a mental disfunction in Lefty's brains which automatically ascribes "hate" to disagreement.

I've found this to be almost universally true thus far, and the trigger for it ramping up to "loud personal abuse" is anything resembling "evidence" contrary to the (generally uninformed) socialist position.

Philip Tang has provided "evidence" from an ex Muslim.

Note these words: (Question: "are you serious?")

"Of course, I am. This is not any book. This is the word of Allah."

That is amost word for word what the Saudi Muslim at the MBS festival said to me face to face.
Totally different social and geographic contexts... but the SAME answer.
Posted by Polycarp, Saturday, 18 October 2008 9:16:11 AM
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Polly

I did not ask if you "hated" I asked about your acceptance and love for people who are intrinsically different to you. You gave a very qualified answer which indicated that you do not accept certain people. Another game of semantics Polly.

Drop it. You have made your feelings about gays, muslims and women very clear on innumerable posts.

Spelling & Grammar 101

THEIR signifies 'ownership' as in "The Browns loaned me THEIR car."

THERE signifies 'place' as in " Do you see the cliff over there?"

Capiche?
Posted by Fractelle, Saturday, 18 October 2008 10:26:39 AM
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The most disgusting video ever brought to our attention by Ayesha Ahmed. (view it only you have the stomach for it)

An early teens Muslim girl (speaking Urdu?) using a small knife to cut off the head of a man. She was not quite successful because the knife was too small but the crowd of adults behind her egged her on shouting "Allah is great"

http://www.truthtube.tv/play.php?vid=522

What kind of "religion" is Islam?, inspiring a young child to cut off the head of a grown man?

Perhaps some Islamic apologists would want to give a spin to this event.
Posted by Philip Tang, Saturday, 18 October 2008 3:42:30 PM
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Boaz, life is too short to regurgitate them all.

>>Where have I EVER said "Muslims, when obedient to their holy book must kill all unbelievers" [? x 1000]<<

Do you remember this one?

>>The justification for the attack however, was said to be specifically Surah 9:29 as quoted by Al Mughira in the hadith I mentioned. Thus, based on this thinking, ANY nation or person which is considered 'a threat' by the Muslim community can jusifiably be attacked or murdered. (Theo Van Gogh is a modern Example)<<

Or this one, perhaps?

>>The Quran speaks of this Surah 33.26 "Some you killed, others you took prisoner" This specific event is further fleshed out in the Hadith. Where the following points are added: 1/ They were offered the judgement of a Cheif named "Sa'ad" who declared "Kill all the men, enslave the women and children" 2/ Mohammed rejoiced in this "Ah, this is like the judgement of God"<<

So, how about it?

>>Dear Pericles... I have nothing to publically repudiate because you have set up a very fluffy straw man and expect me to bite on it.<<

Leaving aside the rather uncomfortable metaphor - biting on a fluffy straw man is only for the brave - let's have one more try.

Are you prepared to sign up for this, unequivocally? It doesn't seem too much to ask.

"I, Boaz, do not attribute scripturally-based motives to all Muslims, and will in future refrain from suggesting that Muslims are required to kill non-Muslims."

You can do it, I know you can. Or would you like to wriggle for a little bit longer?

You can always change your pseudonym again, if facing reality is once more becoming too uncomfortable.
Posted by Pericles, Sunday, 19 October 2008 3:27:34 PM
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