Boaz,

“What I cannot and will not condemn is any example of where GOD commands specific people to be exterminated”
Thanks for making my point, another proof of your double standards.

“On Ka'b :) Clearly we have a huge difference of opinion on that one”
You repeated above story many times and I just explained to you and OLO audience how a Muslim makes sense of it.
We do differ on a lot of things Boaz but thats healthy as long as we respect each other. Stop talking about Jesus as if you are following his teachings, I am sure being disrespectful of other beliefs is not one of his teachings.

Peace,

Fellow_Human,
I am sure Boaz would be pleased that you express that he follows Jesus teachings, including warnings about following false representations of God. Which Jesus addressed as Satan of the Jewish Zealots wanting to murder Romans in Matthew 4. Jesus taught to love your enemy and sacrifice one's life out of love for him but not to follow his lies and deceit. Can we take it then you do not follow Mohamet?

Philo,

Actually I was saying the opposite: that Boaz isnt practising what he is preaching. Using OLO as an example, all I have seen is that group A (claiming to be tolerant and loving) have been wacking and stoning group B until group B admits that A is more tolerant!

Its 4 years in a row and group A has been doing it to everyone who does not follow their faith who disagrees with their opinion.

Maybe its only me but there is something very wrong with the fellowship of the ring in here.

Peace,

Fellow_Human,
If you understood the old Aussie psyche, you would understand that Christianity has deeply influenced it to mean you will vehemently protest others opinion but you will protect their life when it is threatened. Atheists, religious zealot, war lord and pacifist have learned to cooperate for the protection of each other but strongly defend their own opinion and their right to hold that opinion. They all believe in democracy, though they believe their own opinion is the only correct one.

You yourself hold an opinion you believe to be right about Mohamet but the majority of Immams in the faith would dissagree with you. I hold opinions about the Christian faith I believe to be correct but the majority disagree with me. In a World society we can only defend what we believe is correct in the hope of changing minds. The majority of Muslims follow the life and behaviours of the prophet, while Boaz and myself believe most Christians live by natural reactions and respond accordingly; whereas Jesus teachings deal with spiritual responses which are not our natural reactions, i.e. "Love your enemy".

Dear FH :) mate.. I don't claim to be 'TOLERANT AND LOVING' when it comes to falsehood. I claim to be tolerant of those who might hold such beliefs in the hope and prayer that they will see the truth and light and follow it.

I treat you differently than say a rampaging Saudi missionary who tells me to my face that it is absolutely ALLAH's word which curses and condemns me... TODAY.. for my belief in the Sonship of Christ.

Although in his case, I did not have the opportunity to really get stuck into that idea, and I graciously departed due to responsiblities.
But trust me, given the right conditions, I will lay it absolutely on the line, that such a belief (that curses the Sonship of Christ) is utterly from the pit of Hell. There is no issue of respect here..it is WAR and I mean spiritual war of course. The precious Son of God, who gave Himself for humanity, and who calls humanity to believe in that Sonship...yet all of that is declared 'ALLAH'S CURSE BE ON THEM, THEY ARE DELUDED, AWAY FROM TRUTH'(9:30)

Now.. this is where you go off the rails. You say I should respect others beliefs ? NOT a chance.. I'll respect, befriend, love, care for 'you' as a person, but not that belief.
You see...your holy book itself does not respect our belief.. so how can a Muslim have respect for the belief that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God? He can, if he chooses, be friendly to a Christian, but he cannot be honest and respect our belief.

Pericles.. ur pretty desperate there, but let me encourage you to consider these words:
"BASED on 'that' thinking..."
Now..all you have to do, is determine whether 'that' thinking is correct from an Islamic perspective. You'd need to determine that from the major schools of Islamic jurisprudence.
Hanifi_Shafi_Maliki_Hanbali.

But ultimately it is simple.
Did mohammad do it? Yes/no
If he did, then does 33:21 mean others can? (Follow his example)

PERICLES in my position statement (which you should be referring to for an official statement of my position rather than trying to 'read into'complex sentences the idea you wish to find there)

I clearly stated that the goal of Jihad (9:29)(words to this effect) is not to force conversions, but to establish the RULE of Islam. In this case, the command of 9:29 means to fight until rule is established! Fighting means killing, but not universal killing.

You are failing to distinguish between Mohammad as 'example' in the whole of Surah 9 and the specifics of verse 29.

Based on his example in this surah, it is entirely conceivable that a Caliph or a Muslim ruler could give a warning to all non Muslims in his land, "Leave or die" (just as Mohammad did) and then, carry out that threat to 100% of extermination, with the only exception of those who expressed a desire to hear about Islam, who would then be told, and escorted safely to 'their place' (where of course they can then be killed)

Now..according to the highly venerated and respected Islamic scholar and historian Ibn Kathir on 9:5

http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=9&tid=20750

"Abu Bakr As-Siddiq used this and other honorable Ayat as proof for fighting those who refrained from paying the Zakah. These Ayat allowed fighting people unless, and until, they embrace Islam and implement its rulings and obligations."

By his understanding.. surah 9 is about imposing Islam by force. (9.5 at least)

Do some reading and then you won't keep on shooting yourself in the foot :)
cheers.