Dear FH.... your theory would be nice if all your mob followed it.

I don't write just to put you or your own understanding of that faith down. (though from your perspective it might seem that way in OLO)

No dear friend.. let me give you an example of what is happening this very day.

http://rmitis.org.au/

If you look at the poster at the lower section of the page you will see a classic contemporary example of an attempt to "Islamize" one of our major Universities.

I say 'Islamize' because that mob are seeking to have a permanent structure on STATE land, (a mosque) which is ONLY for Muslims. The particular part of the Uni they want is at the CORE of RMIT and it's history.

If they were granted this demand...it would radically alter the whole ethos of the place and tilt it in an 'Islamic' direction.
This group is very active at RMIT having regular da'wa days and reaching out to non Muslims seeking to spread the message.

Now.. why do I have a problem with this? Simple. Pure Islam as taught and practiced by Mohammad is this (in relation to Polytheists/Mushriks)

CHOICES.

1/ Embrace Islam.
2/ Pay Jizya
3/ Fight
4/ (don't fight but)Be killed. (if they remain in the land)

You would know that this pattern was laid down in surah 9

Now.. IS THIS happening today?
YES..it absolutely is...but not in Melbourne.. rather in Mosul.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.violence/index.html

<<A week ago, leaflets were distributed in several predominantly Christian neighborhoods, threatening families to "either convert to Islam or pay the jizyah or leave the city or face death," said the Interior Ministry official.>>

Now..I'm not prepared to EVER allow the Muslim community to gain such a foothold in Australia that what many would call 'radical' elements can take surah 33:21 to heart as the RMIT-IS seems to

"Indeed in the Messenger of Allah you have an excellent example to follow for whoever hopes in Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much."

Mosul? they are just following his (mohammad's) example mate.. there is no escaping it.

Porkie

I must say in this case I agree with CJ- Porkies perfect.

You say your a man of God but God doesnt want his people spreading hatred.

You KEEP going on about problems overseas but RUFUSE to enlighten us at all about any experience you have what so ever - or Muslims you have met in Australia!

You also LIED when you said you did not get the details you requested forwared to your email address.

Yes you did and you know it. In those emails that YOU requested for your own nformation regarding Pauline there was a invatation to actually meet with some Muslim People to discuss your concerns.

So its clear you are just stiring up trouble where you can.

Why? Well imop because you have been bible bashed through life and its probably one of the few topics you follow.

Sure there are some Muslims I would give two bob for- Just like Christians.

Of course we shouldnt sit back and see Australia turned into a Muslim country.

However your certainly going the wrong way about thngs and brining shame on all Christians.

Again I will remind you David out of three thousand letter to Churches In Australia asking for some leadership towards Gods creatures from Churches we got only one repy= From Muslim Leaders.

We are following Gods will by trying to look after his creatures.
All you are doing is preading your vile harted towards Muslims.

Why OLO allow this to contiune I will never know.

SHAME On Church Leaders for turning their backs on Gods most innocent- Australias Animals.

Get off your laxy Bums and take some leadsership of what is CLEARLY your job!

God is watching
From a distance

People like Polycarp actually having me wishing that there is a judgmental, vengeful god out there. Because, Polly, while I am aware that everyone has their faults, you actually seem to revel in your denigration of others. You never admit to making mistakes and judge everyone according to your own narrow definition of christianity.

If your god is real he will be judging those who bully, judge and belittle. Or do you believe a simple confession will absolve you from all the hatred you foment?

Do you consider yourself to be meek, mild, loving and accepting of all others on this world?

Another day, another whack-a-mozzie diatribe.

Ho hum.

>>If you look at the poster at the lower section of the page you will see a classic contemporary example of an attempt to "Islamize" one of our major Universities.<<

Boaz, if you look at the bottom of the poster, you will see listed against "Campaign supported by", both the RMIT Christian Union and the RMIT Jewish Union Society.

Or had this small point escaped your notice?

Does it not occur to you that there are some people who take the freedom to worship seriously? That this might be a protest against the RMIT's actions contrary to this freedom?

After all, the campaign is not to provide something new, but to reinstate a facility that had previously existed.

How is it that you did not notice this? The only possible conclusion is willful blindness, simply to allow you to make cheap anti-Muslim points.

Of similar slant is the example you provide of anti-Christian activity in Iraq.

"At least 900 Christian families have fled Mosul in the past week, terrified by a series of killings and threats by Muslim extremists ordering them to convert to Islam or face possible death, officials said Saturday."

That article goes on to quote the governor of Nineveh, who states clearly:

"Of course, al Qaeda elements are behind this campaign against Christians"

In case it had escaped your notice, Boaz, al Qaeda is a terrorist organization, not particularly dedicated to conversion, but very interested in murder, mayhem and disruption.

To deliberately parallel the acts of terrorists with the peaceful and democratic stance adopted by the RMIT Islamic Society is classic rabble-rousing hate-mongering.

How is it that you cannot see this?

I love it when you resort to hollow triumphalism, Boaz...

>>BINGO :) *You can regurgitate as much of their content as you like, it does not represent evidence to me.* Dear Pericles...that rather says it all :)<<

It inevitably means that you have so lost the plot, that you are forced to pretend "victory" in order to disguise the fact.

>>It represented evidence to Justice Higgins... he paid very close attention to it... but for you ? nah :)<<

Now the really intriguing aspect of this is that you refer to Justice Higgins, but you fail to provide a context or a quote. This automatically leads me to believe that you are bluffing, in the hope that no-one is going to check up on you.

But you know, Boaz, that I always do.

Justice Higgins' ruling was overturned in the Court of Appeal.

The grounds for this latter ruling were that Justice Higgins "had wrongly interpreted Section 8 of the Racial and Religious Tolerance Act". Substantial to this ruling was his tendency "to fault Pastor Scot on his selection of quotes from the Koran, Hadith and the writings of Muslim scholars generally"

So what do we have here, after all that?

You contrast my refusal to accept your "selection of quotes from the Koran, Hadith and the writings of Muslim scholars generally" with that of Higgins, who apparently relied upon such a process.

But Boaz, guess what? Justice Higgins was shown to be wrong in his reliance upon such excerpts, by the Supreme Court of Victoria.

So by definition, the Supreme Court agrees with me: you cannot go around selectively piecing together extracts from someone else's scriptures, use them to come to a judgment on their meaning, and hope to get away with it.

So, I'm with Justices Nettle, Ashley and Neave on this one.

"You can regurgitate as much of their content as you like, it does not represent evidence to me"

>>BINGO :)<<

Part 1 of 2
Good grief... you blessed folks are all over the place grabbing at this or that straw and straw man.

PALE.. I wish you were less like a dog with a bone about this email thing.. let me put the record straight.

I did receive an email from you.. and I did make use of it, I did write to Pauline and did receive a reply.

Now.. the CHRONOLOGY of those realities might not seem important to you but it is. If... when I responded to your question I had not checked my mail OR it had gone into my spam box OR any one of a number of other reasons.. it would cause me to say "I've not received" by in any case..I cannot for the life of me see why you are so clinging to this..it's a non issue. No..I didn't 'lie' as you put it. One of these days a few people will give you the same as you give others and you might not like it.

PERICLES. You are totally oblivious to a simple fact.
Whether Al Qaeda is the group doing the threatening is irrelevant, the core point is....those threats reflect exactly how Mohammad the founder of Islam acted and spoke regarding "Mushriks". Notice they could stay IF they paid the Jizya.. exactly as MOhammad dictated.
So..they are the true Muslims and the rest are following their own version.
Justice higgins took issue with the Dannies claim that "Islam is cruel" and he rebuked Pastor Scott for quoting Surah 5:38 and 40 without mentioning verse 39.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/vic/VCAT/2004/2510.html
Goto para 276 the following is in 2nd paragraph following that point.

"Secondly, the way in which he dealt with the Qur'an verse 38 to 40 gave me great concern with regard to his ability to put forward an honest and fair representation of Islam. I am of the view that he deliberately omitted verse 39 so as to give an anti-Islamic interpretation of a Qur'anic verse." (Higgins)