Pericles: << To me, the whole episode is an absolute hoot.

And the reactions from the nutty pentecostalists - "I heard it preach the devil's tongue i burned in and saw satans face in the smoke!" - only serve to underline the ridiculousness of it all. >>

Too funny. I wonder what I'd see if I burnt one of my kid's Bratz dolls - Sarah Palin's face?

Yes, I can only imagine how tough it was, Boaz.

>>The above hometruths about Islam and Mohammad are very DIFFicult to track down. The hapless enquirer would be most unlikely to find them.<<

What does it say about you, that you dedicate so much of your life to tracking them down, unpacking them with your own brand of logic, and then publishing your findings as fact.

Does it not occur to you that these are the actions of a zealot?

>>You might not be able to see this for yourself, but surely you can see how a person not under the power of this religion can see it as it really is? (words have meaning afterall)<<

Boaz, you might not be able to see this for yourself, but surely you can see how a person not under the power of your religion can see your rabble rousing as it really is? (words have meaning, after all)

Your self-deception is evident in this small example:

FH stated "Using google it will confirm that 80-90% of every article is an anti-Islam not a pro"

You respond with

>>In all 3 of those sites, I found not the slightest bit of negativity<<

You pick three from 22.1 million entries, to contradict FH's 80-90%. Such fairness and square dealing.

There are 154 million entries against "Islam" - and right there on the front page we find the delightful Debbie Schlussel.

Here are some of the comments you find there:

"When is Fisher-Price coming out with a doll that vomits 'Kill the Infidel...Kill the Jew!! Allahu ackbar and *U*K YOU!!'...and then ignites its suicide bomb belt."

"Is it not true that islamists murder the Infidel in the name of islam and allah? And, those who don't murder the Infidel, sit in silent agreement with those who do?"

Incidentally, Boaz, you didn't respond to my pointing out the Jesus doll...

http://toys.about.com/b/2005/04/12/new-talking-jesus-doll-being-released.htm

...in the context of your observation:

>>If Christians ever stooped to the level of promoting the Gospel in this way I would be most dissappointed.<<

Would you like to comment?

Yes I thought I did Pericles.. the Jesus doll
was marketed AS a Jesus Doll. The Fisher Price
"Islam is light" one was marketed as 'a doll'.

Huge difference.

FACTS?
<<and then publishing your findings as fact.
Does it not occur to you that these are the actions of a zealot?>>

Dear Pericles, it is increasingly clear
that you know so little about Islam as
to be more dangerous than helpful.
You admit you don't know much about it..
but you stridently defend it.
That's irrational.

The more rational approach would be to
unpack my own presentation and find fault with it.
Unfortunately that approach it would involve abject denial of the meaning of language and grammar.

FACTS

1/ Surah 33:50 outlines/lists the women available to Mohammad for marriage. (Which at that time could include Nikah Muta'/temporary marriage with an age range of around 9 to maturity)

2/ The Hadith shown explains how the next verse came to be. 33:51

3/ The verse thus explained justifies Mohammad's behavior.

4/ MOhammad's behavior is contrary to the behavior he previously laid down in the Quran for Muslims. (equal treatment, no more than 4 wives)

Now...they are the facts.. there is no interpretation whatsover in those 4 points.
Do what you wish with them...but they are still 'facts'.

You could always go down the path of total
irratinality and simply deny that they
say what they say...or.. perhaps just attack
the Bible.. that's usually a good tactic
(unless it's against me) or..you could always
abuse me.. "you are a zealot" yep..that makes
a lot of sense... but it seems you need to be
dragged kicking and screaming to the actual facts
of the matter which any judge worth his salt
would have no problem in assessing within 30 seconds.

I think that what is being sold to us in the West as moderate Islam is a concoction; artfully flavoured with forty-six Humanist herbs and spices, to make it more appetizing to secular clientele.

The Islamic spin doctors have picked up our buzz words/concepts.
A current favourite is -inclusiveness-it’s been popularized by the multiculturalism and equal opportunity platforms.So we now hear talk of the brotherhood of world Muslims, or the common heritage of the Abrahamic religions and the need to emphasize “our similarities”.

However, in one of my more recent readings “An Idiots Guide To Islam” I came across this little piece “’The Jew have broken up into seventy-two sects. The Christians have broken up into seventy-two sects and my community will break up into seventy-two , AND ALL OF THEM WILL BE IN HELLFIRE EXCEPT ONE’…(the author goes on to add) this prediction (from The Prophet)contains the caveat that only one Muslim sect will be correct”

Now…if all but one, of the (closely related) Sunis, Shias, Sufis and Salafis factions will be damned, and the answer may be it’s none of the above but a new group yet unseen -how inclusive can Islam be?

On the Islamic Judgment Day while the chosen few will be hand fed dew chilled grapes by buxom maidens. The rest of us will have to make do with stiff cheese.[Islams portrayal of heaven is quite materialistic –so it is not too wide of the mark see heavenly reward in those terms].

One thing I am more certain of is,if on judgment day you see a old Steptoe like character - with a brown nose- among the cheese eaters, generally misbehaving himself and calling everyone a ‘wingnut’ or Islamophobe ¬– that’ll be CJ Morgan.

Horus: << One thing I am more certain of is,if on judgment day you see a old Steptoe like character - with a brown nose- among the cheese eaters, generally misbehaving himself and calling everyone a ‘wingnut’ or Islamophobe ¬– that’ll be CJ Morgan >>

Just as well "judgment day" (of whatever persuasion) is just a fantasy, eh? Tremble on, you poor fearful thing.

Incidentally, why "old Steptoe like"? I'm actually middle-aged, slightly overweight and anything but Cockney - nothing like Steptoe at all. Most people comment that I remind them of Billy Connolly, actually. Mind you, I'm never too sure whether that's a compliment or an insult.

Porky: << You could always go down the path of total
irratinality and simply deny that they
say what they say...or.. perhaps just attack
the Bible.. that's usually a good tactic
(unless it's against me) or..you could always
abuse me.. "you are a zealot" yep..that makes
a lot of sense... but it seems you need to be
dragged kicking and screaming to the actual facts
of the matter which any judge worth his salt
would have no problem in assessing within 30 seconds. >>

You haven't been hitting the "holy spirit" have you, old chap?

Good old Steptoe :)

unable to argue about facts... resorts to mockery :)

CJ.. I've been 'drunk' on that 'Spirit' at times, and I assure you.. that even the more coloful descriptions of a 'speed' trip don't come near it.

But that intoxication is not one which impairs the senses, rather it enhances and enables them, and best of all there is no crash afterwards.

For you...the cost of that beautiful annointing will be a new birth.
Even then, you will have to reach the end of yourself before you can even know what it means.

Just think... transformed from having only a grave (and after that the J) to to look forward to.. into a meeting with Him who said "I am the resurrection and the life"

Of one thing we may all be certain.. if you go to your grave outside of Christ it will not be through lack of information or encouragement to give your life to Him.