Here is an interesting example of..... 'Da'wa' Islamic evangelism ?

I'm not sure what to make of this but it certainly deserves some attention.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TKahCRbWnkw&feature=email

One has to ask what went on with Fisher-Price to enable such a thing to be produced and deceptively sold.

If Christians ever stooped to the level of promoting the Gospel in this way I would be most dissappointed.

Errr.... Boaz?

>>If Christians ever stooped to the level of promoting the Gospel in this way I would be most dissappointed.<<

http://toys.about.com/b/2005/04/12/new-talking-jesus-doll-being-released.htm

Much fuss about nothing, in my view.

It has certainly brought out some interesting reactions in the US though. Here's one of my favourites from a blog called "mosquewatch" (I wonder what their phobia could be?)

"I had one of these devil dolls for my 2 year old. When I heard it preach the devil's tongue i burned in and saw satans face in the smoke! PRAISE JESUS TO GRANT ME A HOLY SWARD TO VANQUISH EVIL!"

I now have persistent mental images of a patch of green grass, battling satan...

What makes people so fearful? Is it the constant reinforcement from evangelical preachers, perhaps, that tell them every Sunday that they are in danger of being murdered in their beds by marauding bands of scimitar-wielding Muslims?

It is also fascinating that they believe that a doll that says "Islam is the light" is somehow capable of brainwashing a child.

And they truly do believe this - here's another excerpt.

"You know how kids get attached to their toys and this is a deliberate way for kids to start asking about islam or what it means. Besides, the "islam is the light" message will stick inside their heads, as kids are sponges and tend to remember childhood messages quite well. This is PURE Indoctrination!"

Jumping at shadows.

And Boaz, one more thing.

>>One has to ask what went on with Fisher-Price to enable such a thing to be produced and deceptively sold.<<

What makes you think that there is deception involved?

Why is deception involved P asks?

simple.. it is marketed as a religion neutral doll. "Mummy coo coo" kind of thing.

That it has a religious subliminal message is absolutely brain washing.

The Jesus doll is MARKETED as such... dare I be mildly insulting and say "even you" can work that out. More accutately though -SPECIALLY you can work that out, but you choose to deny the obvious.

The comments you cut/pasted are a bit bizarre for sure.. they exist.. what more to say?

But if you don't see a HUGE problem ethically with a doll being marketed as a 'doll' with no religious connections, and then it says "Islam is the light" to impressionable children then... dear Pericles....you need your head examined.

Either that or the level of your deception here is much bigger than anybody might have thought. The evidence is piling up old son.

CJ Morgan,

Thanks you for your encourgagement. I actually regularly follow olo but contribute in logical rational arguments
which is against Boaz's 'religion'.

Boaz,

"Your perspective lacks one vital ingredient... Those choosing Islam today do so in the light
of it being an established religion, they most likely do not examine closely it's early development"

I was expecting you to address above facts instead you came up with another piece of propaganda.
Anyway facts time, I think you would agree with the following:

1. Those chosing Islam today have lots of resources including books and internet. So the blind choice does not apply.
2. That most sources on Islam (published and on the web) are the hostile version not the friendly one.
Using google it will confirm that 80-90% of every article is an anti-Islam not a pro.

Another confirmation that facts, logic and rationale have no place in your angry comments about the Islamic faith.

Kaktuz,

The conflict between Shiaa and Sunna you referred to is a struggle over the system of governance between arab tribes
post the prophet's death and is not a religious conflict. It was one of those ugly bloody conflicts in the history
of Islam. Having said that, I am sure you are aware of similar bloody conflicts betwen Jewish tribes and the history's longest war (the 116 years war known as the 100 years war) between different groups of Christianity.

Peace,

I think I understand now.

>>That it has a religious subliminal message is absolutely brain washing.<<

There are some people who are so paranoid, that they can actually persuade themselves that a child's toy that speaks one - totally harmless - phrase, amongst many, can drive their children to a life of religious enslavement.

Quite frankly, that is beyond comprehension to normal mortals.

Boaz, if you doubt me, try to find another phrase, spoken by a toy, that has had a similar effect upon a child.

The concept is so outlandish, it defies belief.

>>The comments you cut/pasted are a bit bizarre for sure.. they exist.. what more to say?<<

There is more to say, Boaz.

These are responses from people who respond to your dog-whistle whack-a-mozzie antics.

This is the kind of thinking they employ, although thinking might be too strong a word. These are the pre-packaged reactions that you encourage, and like some form of contagion, spread through the groups of people whom you target with your fear-mongering.

It will be interesting - if it ever comes out - to discover whether the message in the doll was put there by a bored employee on a Chinese assembly line, but I somehow doubt that Osama bin Laden is involved.

To me, the whole episode is an absolute hoot.

And the reactions from the nutty pentecostalists - "I heard it preach the devil's tongue i burned in and saw satans face in the smoke!" - only serve to underline the ridiculousness of it all.

FH

Let's say they google "Basic Islam"

They will come up with sites like the following:

http://www.islamfortoday.com/beliefs.htm
The 2nd result is this one

http://islam.about.com/od/basicbeliefs/p/intro.htm

The 3rd one is this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/

Let's take just that last one. It refers to Islam as:

"Islam began in Arabia and was revealed to humanity by the Prophet Muhammad. Those who follow Islam are called Muslims."

In all 3 of those sites, I found not the slightest bit of negativity, but the last one clearly states "was revealed".. suggesting legitimacy and that God is the source.

FH..I'm curious about what you make of the sequence of events between Surah 33:50 and 51 and the Hadith which explains where 51 came from.

33.50 "I can have more wives than the believers including any beleiving women who offeres herself." (Paraphrase)

Hadith Muslim Book 008, Number 3453:

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: I felt jealous of the women who offered themselves to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Then when Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, revealed this:" You may defer any one of them you wish, and take to yourself any you wish; and if you desire any you have set aside (no sin is chargeable to you)" (xxxiii. 51), I ('A'isha.) said: It seems to me that your Lord hastens to satisfy your desire.

This tells the following:

a)Mohammad DID entertain a procession of women "offering" themselves
b)His wives became Jealous (of what?)
c)Mohammad's motivation was his sexual desire.
d)Point c above is proven by the fact that he had to invent 33:51 to justify 'deferring' his existing wives.
If he had not used them, there would be no reason for the jealousy OR the comment about his desires from Ayesha.

You might not be able to see this for yourself, but surely you can see how a person not under the power of this religion can see it as it really is? (words have meaning afterall)

The above hometruths about Islam and Mohammad are very DIFFicult to track down. The hapless enquirer would be most unlikely to find them.