Hi Steel mann
Try
http://propheticroundtable.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=63&Itemid...

or click on Australian Prophetic Round Table-What Will Beome of Australia?

Hi Rache
Im sticking with the testimonies of the China maps and the Indonesian maps.

Remember this was the mid-late 1980's in which the China maps were seen and China was still much closed off, though slowly openning up.

After the Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989 the ship tightened up again and much that would have been cleaned up as the world turned to watch what was going on.
The maps showing OZ as NEW SOUTH CHINA would have been collected and dumped for the sake of lesser scrutiny on Chinas plans for an outward march.
No one in China wanted travellers and christian missionaries to remember what they has seen.
I understand everyones concerns about these maps.
No one wants war and no likes to think other nations are plotting invasion.
I believe that the truth has been spoken... and that Ive extended it to all of you.

Steel Mann/Belly.

There have been many christians in positions of power who fell, but I dont believe that we should turn cynical because of the few.

I was amazed when Jimmy Swaggart fell yet it was also encouraging to see him back preaching later on.
I trust those who God puts in positions of leadership...unless He brings them down for some reason.

Its been my experience, over the years, its not the leader of the big church who is always the most committed.
Ive found so often that its the little guy with the little church who does so well with perseverance and godliness.
This might be because he always looking to The Lord for help and not to the wealthy congregation.

This is why, in respect of the christian missionary who reported the NEW SOUTH CHINA maps on Chinese classroom walls, Im very, very inclined to go with his story.
He was a committed man. He would have had to have been, to pick up a call to go to China (more grit than me). I trust his testimony and believe he didnt lie.
Same with the school teacher friend of my Pastor who photographed the SOUTH IRIAN map on that Indonesian classroom wall.
Both good men to report what they saw.

Sancho.
What would be your problem with such stories. Do we always have to see it for ourselves or actually have photos to believe what someone else says he/she saw and heard?

Statistics prove that recruitment to the ADF is way beyond a mere problem.
My googling indicates it is such a problem that were some form of conscription be introduced the youth would rightly tell our Masters to 'just piss off'.

Besides which, my son reminds me that conscript Armies are never any bloody good.

Amazingly, our Masters, the last many years, have provided our youth with their ground rules and that way of thinking.
A problem, that.

Meanwhile it is the same set of Masters that tell Australians who have variously-
sworn the Oath of Allegiance
put their own money into defence projects in industry
and consequently seen them (the defence projects) forfeit to the State -
and been ordered as the originators to just go away and die.

Well, its them who have had enough and incline towards supporting the youth who would not differentiate much between Howard and rudd when it comes to putting their precious pelts and their life on the line.

I have, myself, sworn the Oath of Allegiance and done all those things. I have seen all that wasted to conflicting factions and greed.

Come on. Is it any wonder that I would not ask youth to waste more?

Belly,

My comments about 1975 and the fear of communist invasion were based on the end of the Vietnam war. Many Australians feared the Communists would keep moving further south and eventually invade Austalia.

My people on this forum rubbish Gibo, as I have myself, but that doesn't mean everything he has to say is wrong. I have no opinion on his comments on China, however what he has said about Indonesia is very interesting, as I have heard this information from other sources, and it was not connected with my church. About 10 years ago at the height of the Pauline Hanson debate, a freind of mine mentioned (not a Christian or any way connected with my church) that Indonesian maps in schools featured the North-West of Australia as being their territory. I don't know where they got their information from. If a freind of mine who I trusted had actually seen this map first hand I would believe the story, but I am investigating this to see if it is really true or just another urban myth.

Gibo, there are many Pastors out there that I don't agree with, however one of my former Pastors once told me, eat the meat, but leave the bones. Mike Warnke's claims of being a Satanic High Priest that found Christ were false, and he has now admited to this. I don't think the Occult is something Christians should play games with (I'm sure you will agree). I was saddened at Jimmy Swaggart's fall in 1988, and was glad to see that when he made a come back he had become more humble in his ways. God's grace extends to them the same way it applies to us.

"My people on this forum rubbish Gibo" - should have read Many people on this forum rubbish Gibo. It would be a good idea if we could edit our own posts after they've been submitted.

Interesting comments A Non Farmer.

You know...I really think that in the end, all of this is going to come down to the gun clubbers and friends.

I dont mean to be rude or offensive but when I think Defence/federal governments... I think uncommitted/lazy/ignorant Defence/federal governments.

With such a huge threat from the north, all we do is buy big military equipment and leave nothing for a citizens militia.
*Nothing is known, anywhere, even from military personnel, of what might have been stored away for a citzs home guard defence force... so theres is nothing stored away.

There are no plans anywhere to use the citzs (Brendan Nelson told me this last year and K.Rudd has nothing going I believe). Its amazing that the Americans havent complained.
How would their secret bases fare if a major incursion happened? Security guards looking after them.