True about China Philo.
They could easily own us without invasion.

All Im going on is what the Holy Bible says about THE KINGS OF THE EAST... and...
the great mysterious arms build-up China has going.

China has no direct threat from anyone.
Russia and China I believe are quiet friends. So Russia is no real threat.
America has no plans to attack China...never will have without provocation first.
And China knows this.
So what are they doing building such a vast army?
All thats left is to believe that China has a plan for an outward march.

Pericles.
I think Philo is right about a jealous Indonesia.
The reason I can talk about Islam is because Ive been to the lectures and seen the DVDs.
I know the global plan and the many lies and deceptions in regards to Australia.

Theres a myth put around by Islamic leaders here in this country to stir up dissent amongst young muslims that once upon a time the Islamics from the north settled in Australia and live harmoniously with the Aborigines.
When the first fleet came out the anglos slaughtered the Islamics and drove the remnant out and began the persecution of the indigenous folks. This myth is "worked", I believe, from both here and Indonesia.

It has been seen (and photographed) that there were maps on Indonesian classrooms walls... that Australia is a place called SOUTH IRIAN and belongs to Islam.
The greater "SOUTH IRIAN dream" also encompasses New Zealand...and is the root of the jealousy and the bitterness.
They believe they rightfully own OZ and NZ.

"It has been seen (and photographed) that there were maps on Indonesian classrooms walls... that Australia is a place called SOUTH IRIAN and belongs to Islam.
The greater "SOUTH IRIAN dream" also encompasses New Zealand...and is the root of the jealousy and the bitterness.
They believe they rightfully own OZ and NZ." - Gibo

Gibo, I have heard this before, and it wasn't from you. I want to know if this is true or just another urban myth. I am interested to know if you know any web sites I can look up to verify this. I can read Indonesian to a certain degree.

Its a fairly simple question.

My age would now qualify me for the home guard more than the front line but back in 1982 the question was the same in UK when going to war against the Argentineans, would I fight for UK if needed

Its a simple answer

Yes

One has a choice to live as free people or not.

The democratic processes by which we live our lives is a system superior to those who might seek to invade us and is thus, worth fighting for.

To all those who feel differently I can only observe,

whilst I might die once, in defense of the country of my choosing, the coward dies many times.
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as to Bellys comment “If you had the chance to go back to that war knowing you would be lead by an upper class twit who knew nothing,”

that is one of the things which has changed in the intervening century.

The preeminence or the “upper class twit” (and not to forget the “chinless wonder”) has gone. The rigid social structures, which enshrined social class and inbreeding, have been largely discarded.

Military commissions are earned these days, they are not bought, as was the case in Queen Victoria’s time.

Steel Mann.
I havent got much on SOUTH IRIAN other than a copy of a map re-produced in a mazazine called Exposure (Vol 3 No 6. 1997) which shows the Indonesian government seal on a map of Australia and all of the land north of Townsville QLD marked in black and named SOUTH IRIAN.
The magazine reports that the map is a copy of maps shown on the walls of the 136,000 primary schools in Indonesia. I presume that the original maps had the seal on them as well. Quote, "all territory above the 20%S latitude on our continent (Australia) they claim as theirs".
If you click on SOUTH IRIAN you can also find something from the Australian League of Rights...but Im not supporting them because they are anti-semetic.
Another story my Pastor told me was that there had been a Aussie school teacher (my Pastors friend) who was on a tour of Indonesian classrooms some years ago when he saw the map on the walls. Apparantly he got one of the first photos of the map by positioning the class teacher and the children in the class, in such a position as to photo the map as well as the people in the class. On his return to Australia the teacher reported this map to ASIO and ASIO apparently sent around 2 agents and confiscated the teachers film.

The rest of the Pastors story goes that a younger Alexander Downer had directed the agents in this recovery of the film...so as not to have the general public know about the maps.
"We mustnt panic the people...must we?
Fred Niles group the Australian Christian Democrats puts on the Islamic lectures from time to time. You could contact them if you want to know more about the great global takeover plan Islam has. One top DVD on the takeover is called Obessionthemovie.

Thanks Col.
Youre right about times changing, though I wonder if (outside of the war context) we might have lost something in losing the "upper class twit".
He would have put a smile on many a simpler, poorer mans face.