Col and Gibo, even now the upper class twit is not totally gone.
But most of my memory's come from England in Australia, my parents and grand parents home Bowral.
In the 1950s, you just had to hold your hat over your heart as you spoke to the boss, not me my parents.
Not far north in a town that produced and Australian treasurer Yerinbool you could not even look at some who sounded a lot like price Charles in the 1960,s.
The ,the twits and no chins would mostly be among those who would not fight for this country.
The story about south Iran is true.
Alexander Downer may well have done that my mob the ALP covered up the murders of our Medea men.
But remember Indonesia was lead then by other men other ideas we must not jump at yesterdays shadows.

I'm not hearing anything about the sexism of the draft and how women are discriminated against. I think many would not go unless women were drafted and sent to the front line, which is more than fair and extremely reasonable.

Where are the feminists to instate equality into the ultimate sacrifice for their country?

Belly "you just had to hold your hat over your heart as you spoke to the boss, not me my parents."

and 50 years earlier in UK a worker went to the same chapel meetings as the foreman on Sunday or felt he might not have a job Monday.

It's the same thing Belly and thankfully we do live in different times.

People who feel entitled to look down on other folk because of the plum in their mouth or the school they went to are around all the time but

they are a dying breed and good riddance.

My response to any of them is to look them in the eye, peer to peer, regardless of "breeding" or double-barrelled surname.

look on the bright side, if you have a mate who is a chinless wonder, his overbite comes in useful if you do not have a can-opener handy

Is that the same "Exposure" magazine that concerns itself with finding Lost Arks of the Covenant, Egyptian Hieroglyphs found on the Central NSW coast and the occasional UFO sighting?

The same one that accused Pope John Paul II of selling cyanide gas to the Nazis?

That New Age Occultist magazine run by one-time One Nation candidate (later disendorsed) Paul Summers from Noosa Heads?

Wasn't he somehow involved with Tony Pitt's Confederate Action Party which associated itself with the League of Rights, Australians Against Further Immigration, the AUSI Freedom Scouts, the Libyan backed and funded Australian Peoples’ Conference, the Citizens’ Electoral Councils, and the Queensland Immigration Control Association (a division of the National Front of Australia) and the neo-Nazi group National Action?

Just checking your sources for accuracy and impartiality.

The Forum question should be "are you willing to send your sons to die for -
1. a political cause,
2. a religious belief or
3. to help the bottom-line of some transnational Corporation?"

Remember that the lines between these choices can be very fuzzy indeed.

Oops,

I should have named DAVID Summers.

My apologies to all those named Paul Summers out there.

Wobbles says >> "The Forum question should be "are you willing to send your sons to die for -
1. a political cause,
2. a religious belief or
3. to help the bottom-line of some transnational Corporation?"

Well wobbles if they are the only three choices I would like you to explain how WW1, WW2, The Korean War and our intervention in East Timor fit into your NEAT little list.

Please explain why, when you decide one of these three pathetic attempts to understand the TOTALITY of modern conflict completely explains our involvent in the aforementioned wars.

In regard to Gibos actual question, I think its highly prudent to ensure we are embarking on a course of action that can be justified by recourse to the higher principles we, as Australians, generally believe in. That is, that we have exhausted all other possibilities, (besides appeasement) and that our cause is just, and our motives are pure.

An attack on this country is different. If you are called, you go. Indeed I would personally be volunteering.