*Yabby, as always - not good enough. 40,000+ dead animals (and rising) is not good enough, in anyone's (anyone normal, that is) language*

99% success is good enough. Industry people know that, people who
have run sheep know that. If the odd sheep won't eat, so put it down.
Informed and experienced people know that, people like you, with
no experience, clearly don't. I can't help ignorance and nor can
the industry. That is why you are simply ignored by most. Go and
get yourself some experience in the industry, then we can discuss
things on a more informed basis.

*in Middle Eastern feedlots with their wool falling out*

No doubt some have their wool falling out. Ever heard of shedding
breeds? More and more of them are going on boats, including
some of mine.

*Who is making the big bucks here? *

If Fletcher is offering 20$ and the shippers 60$, then frankly
farmers are better off selling to the shippers. If you can't
figure that one out, there is no help for you.

*it's about what happens to them when they get there.*

Their throats are cut and they are eaten when they get there.
Just like the throats of sheep in Australia are cut every day
and they are eaten too.

Yabby

Nickys hit the nail on the head and cattle are no different.

Read what she said again and get it through your head that millions of animals dying in barbaric conditions will NOT be tolerated.
= Nicky said
Yabby, as always - not good enough. 40,000+ dead animals (and rising) is not good enough, in anyone's (anyone normal, that is) language. And those who arrive "just fine" - I take it you haven't looked at all the film footage of the blind, lame animals, in Middle Eastern feedlots with their wool falling out. But they don't matter because they were able to be dragged (or thrown) off the ships. And yet again (sigh!) it's about what happens to them when they get there. Have you failed yet again to pick up on the fact that these countries are on-selling Australian animals to other countries, or butchering them and on-selling the meat? Who is making the big bucks here? Not the terminally stupid Australian live export farmer. They just follow the MLA/LiveCorp mantra.)

WELL SAID!

You ask who is making the big bucks here? Not your little average Aussie farmer- its the middle man- the shipping agents like Elders and others. Many of these gaint companies who make political donations to keep the vile trade going at all costs - including at the cost of all our country towns being forced to close.

These low lives dont give a rats arse about Australia or Australian Farmers or Australian Animals and are mostly off shore companies taking our jobs to others depite the utter cruelty.
Isnt that right Kevin Rudd. Off to Church you go now to shpow the public what a weak spineless loeader you are IMO At least Howard did Lie to the public before the elections about live exports.
You can judge a nation by the way it treats its Animals Mr Rudd.
http://www.livexports.com/contacts.html

StG, I don't know about PALE, but its often cited websites appear to have "fallen over" as well, for anyone who is interested.

Cheers
Nicky
Posted by Nicky, Tuesday, 29 July 2008 7:28:28 PM
Regarding your comments about pale on the 29th july when you knew very well we were away a few months.
The company RSPCA QLD were dealing with closed down and several sites simply dissapeared. It caused a great deal of work and effort to retore them.

I have refused to answer to you about the pale web site in the past because I felt your critisim was not meant in a constructive manner.

Regardless fyi a new the site has been waiting over a year until I can get time to help out. We have a wonderful helper who commenced who has bowl caner. I wanted her to have the project because its best for her to have something of interest and she also happens to be a very active animal lover.

Here is the site begining.

http://cmq86.wwwoz.com/

Prior to that our RSPCA QLD web master was to do it. He has over two hundred computers to take care of so its understable hes been too busy.Then Mohamedad was going to do a new site however time is all of our enermys.
Please remember we are only a small office with non paid helpers.

So heres a thought. If you really believe that a good site is so important then you are free to offer your assistance to our helper.


I am sure our lady would be absolutley delighted to have someone else to discuss the site with.
So there you go you have a free hand and I will pay for it.
Here is another site you are free to take over or assist with.

http://freerangefarmers.com/freerange/

In the mean time I am sure you will be pleased to see to old sites for the animals back up" including that bloody awful music" I think you called it.
http://www.livexports.com/
http://www.halakindmeats.com/

http://consciousevolution.com/onshu/view_signatures.php

Yes, I saw the sites had been restored. Unfortunately, I have never had anything to do with web design; I maintain a couple of sites but did not establish them. One thing you might want to research is that Job Futures, the Job Network agency, in some places runs Work for the Dole programs in which participants design, develop and maintain websites, under qualified supervision, free of charge to NFPs. Other Job Network agencies in your area may do the same.
Nicky

Nicky

Thanks for your advice. Unfortunately this is the Gold Coast and nobody wants to work.



We heard about this program several years ago.
We were told we had to be a NFP organization and have insurance etc. So we registered as a NFP and RSPCA Qld +did the insurance to cover the helpers.

Only 'one' actually turned up out of almost thirty (believe it or not)

Also you would appreciate if the person doesn’t really interest animals it’s not going to work. It can result in a great deal of time being lost that may have otherwise been spent at shopping centers etc...


We spoke with Durra frustrated about the time lost to interview people for nothing.

They said they were aware of it however, the Government decided that it would be an invasion of privacy to provide companies with the net work or job work providers details so you could report their none attendance.



The lady I mentioned in my last post is sincere in her efforts and dedicated. I am trying to find her some assistance and actually spoke to a few web masters today.

Apparently there are changes soon to the NFP organizations. I think we have pretty much decided to let ours go because that was the sole reason we went NFP in the first place.

As for live export I fear you will find the agreement will be to 'fly more out..... (that’s why we didn’t want # attending without us present.)

Other than the 'high profile people' taking livexports to the UN Its uphill.

Robert and friends suggested this. he said would need assistance with briefing and background because we are too young to have all the records and knowledge.
He contacted others but didnt get a promised return email.So there`s not really much else he can do in that regards .

Thanks Again for your advise

Nicky

Speaking of the world of internet and technology I would value your thoughts on this idea.

The Goggles zoom in maps and street details surely could be also used to zoom in on large stations to check condition of stock and see if they have feed water shelter etc


Why can’t we set up an Animal Welfare watch dog station in each state?
After all they use satellite for everything else.

It would take away the excuse that it’s a six day ride per station and impossible to police.
It could also be used in the outback where they trap wild goat’s camel’s horses etc.