Dickie, as always, you are absolutely right (as always) - and exceptionally well put, as well. Yabby's best (only?) talent is throwing in "red herrings" to try and take the focus away from the topic. You will have noted that he failed to answer my question.

Cheers
Nicky

Ah Dickie, you comment without even viewing the programme or
reading the transcript, but ignorance has always been your
strong point.

I remind you of Nicky preaching to us about her 5 bible rules
of keeping animals, one of them being, that they should lead as
natural a lives as possible.

Dressing up monkeys in dresses, treating them as children, to cope
with motherly empty nester syndrome, etc, speaks more of distorted
hormonal influences, then have anything to do with treating
animals naturally.

How natural is it to feed animals gourmet foods?

At least my animals lead natural lives, unlike your pampered pets,
which seem to be there mainly to satisfy your own instincts
of unfullfilled love. So the pets cop it, if they like it or not.
That is hardly natural. Just like the monkey women in the 60 Minutes
story.

"At least my animals lead natural lives,"

Of course Yabby. I know how sentimental you are about your lovely sheep. I'm sure Nicky would agree with me too.

And look what I resurrected from my archives for you. I know you love to reminisce over your little ones - especially those who received international recognition.

Cheers

http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:BftvbtCNFb4J:mad-cow.org/~tom/sheep_die.html+sheep+farming+damage+australia+environment&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=29&gl=au&lr=lang_en

Dickie dear, you might as well have searched for the Titanic.
Fact is that boats can sink, no matter whom or what is on board.
Cars crash, you still drive in them, so do your dogs.

Red herrings like that little one, are not going to change the
fact that you people are being hypocrites, breaking your very own
rules about keeping animals.

*Have you any comment to make on this, by any chance? *

Nicky, you really are not the brightest. The above was your
question. If I did not answer, then clearly I have no comment
to make. I have heard of Graham Dawes but that is about it,
much as you seemingly have. If you have a question to put to him,
so ring him.

Great news, Siba ships have announced another 240 million$ to
be spent on two new ships! Thats on top of the other two smaller
ones, being completed right now in Indonesia. They should be ready
at the end of the year.

These two new ones will be built in the same shipyard as the Becrux
was, with animal welfare as having vital importance in their design.
Lots has been learned from operating the Becrux and how things could
be improved even further.

"These two new ones will be built in the same shipyard as the Becrux
was, with animal welfare as having vital importance in their design."

Is that so Yabby? Live exporters concerned with the welfare of animals? I think not.

August 13, 2008

"A coalition of live sheep importers and exporters has taken court action against the Federal Government, claiming it will lose millions of dollars from a decision to reduce stock numbers on vessels bound for the Middle East.

"The decision has meant thousands fewer sheep will be sent to various countries in nine voyages between May and October this year.

"On May 12, the Australian Quarantine and Inspection Service imposed additional space requirements on the relevant vessels to help manage heat stress in sheep exported to the region.

"They included an extra 10 or 15 per cent space for sheep carried on vessels with open, two-tiered decks.

"Solicitor Tim Cocks, for the companies, said outside court that they did not want damages or other compensation from the Government. He said they were seeking to retain the shipping capacities they had always enjoyed, rather than suffering the reduction.

"Sheep were to be transported via the Red Sea to Saudi Arabia, Libya, Israel and Jordan; and to Persian Gulf destinations Oman, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Qatar and Kuwait.

"The case is scheduled for mediation at the Federal Court in Western Australia on September 18."

"Rather than suffering the reduction?" Ah well they're only sheep after all.

No doubt, Yabby you will attend the mediation which is to be conducted in your state?

Furthermore, if live exporters are concerned over the welfare of export animals, why have they not objected to Rudd's decision to resume live exports to Egypt, a country notorious for its brutal treatment of Australian animals?

Oh sorry - I overlooked the fact that it was the livestock farmers who coerced the spineless Rudd government to resume trade with Egypt.

*Live exporters concerned with the welfare of animals? I think not.*

Its quite clear Dickie, that an ignoramus like yourself, does not
think very much!

Firstly you clearly never read the press statment related to the
two new vessels. Secondly it seems to have not even occured to you,
that shippers are paid for live animals, not dead ones.

It is in fact in the interests of shippers to deliver as many
healthy, happy, weight gaining animals as possible. Every sheep that
dies is a loss to the company concerned.

By the time these animals finally land on a boat, with all the
inspections, certifications, vet inspections , food costs, trucking,
etc, they are not cheap anymore.

Siba ships are well aware of this fact and are throwing 240 million
$ at it, a sum not to be sneezed at. Their boats are in fact used
by NZ and other countries, to ship breeding animals around the world.

But then as many point out, nothing that the live trade or farmers do,
will ever satisfy the vegan brigade like yourself. The fact that
farmers even make a living out of running livestock, is against your
philosophy.

One minute Nicky is complaining about old boats. When companies
decide to throw big money at new boats, you still complain.

Your poor husbands/boyfriends, having to put up with old nags
like you :) It seems that you simply enjoy complaining about
something..