mjpb

Your right , which is why we formed pale. Australias first Support Free Range farmers Groups. please
See >
Its A Start.
http://www.livexports.com/freerangefarmerssupportgroup/

Robert I hope we can get that list you suggested happening soon. Yes I hear what your saying about the Church. If you would help with ideas of setting up a shopping list it would be great. You had some pretty goods ones I noted.

So Yabby even if only one sheep dies on the ships we should be free to persue our ideas as well. You said If people wish to be taken seriously you would respone.
You also said a long time ago if I sent people top WA with a view to build Abaatoirs you would help with appointments.
Question to You is will you still do that?
You said yourself you were all over rurual posts telling them to build more plants. You might get a healthy agents cheque ah

Mind your trips comming up soon.

Free Ranger You certainly have done a lot of work. Thank God For You.
So given that you dont see any problems increasing Free Range Eggs Farms could we impose on you for some advise please.?

If we posted the details and contacts on our Support Free Range Farmers site perhaps, they could just click on to see who was interested to buy their Free Range Eggs , Meat or a share in a Free Range farm.
What Do you Think About That Idea.? Site.>

http://www.livexports.com/freerangefarmerssupportgroup/

If we have a click here to but Free Range Eggs, Meat, Pork etc And A click here to supply overseas. [if they are the farmer}

click for people interested to invest in Free Range Farms.

[ We would just supply the contacts and Enquiries from overeas.

It would help the farmer to arrange appointments. direct

What do You Think Free Ranger and others.

All suggestions welcomed

Click , click, click … nothing, why am I surprised? Same as talking about it really.

For the uniformed, NASAA is completely independent from any animal welfare groups. The standards are already in place, yes, even for poultry. Free Range Farmers Association have nothing to do with it either, the standard was put in place by the Humane Society and NASAA. Check out the website.

mjpb, “ Do you think that farmers may not accept organizations with views that will take away their livelihood or who promote those types of viewpoint” I agree. You may have missed my post on this subject due to all the other rubbish.

The Humane Society have developed the new Humane Choice label. They are so committed to its implementation that they have handed the administration of it to NASAA, an independent organic certifier with no affiliation to any animal welfare groups. (meaning there are no hidden agendas like vegeterianism) This standard, when compared to the welfare aspects of the organic standard, is almost identical. This label has been in the pipeline and in the media for a while. It is now at the stage of accrediting farms and promoting the label to wholesalers and major supermarkets. Voiceless also donated $20,000 towards its implimentation.
http://www.hsi.org.au/news_library_events/Humane%20Choice/Standards/Humane_Choice_Standards_Feb_06_specifics_Pigs.pdf#search=%22humane%20choice%22

So, here is my ‘one suggestion for helping free range farmers’ - The Humane Choice label is very exciting and will bring pork, poultry, beef and lamb under the one free range umbrella and administrated by an independent, professional organization that has no ties to animal welfare groups. Finally there will be a standard to reassure consumers. It is my recommendation that farmers join this label. http://www.nasaa.com.au

No animal welfare groups and no egos.

Pigfarmer, NASAA certification is OK for all those farms that are able or want to go the organic route but it often is not viable for smaller operations. The cost and the other impacts of trucking certified feed from interstate can defeat the purpose of organic production. It's fine if you're buying 40 - 60 tonnes at a time but it blows the figures out of the water for operations that have 10 tonne silos or less.
The Free Range Farmers Association, which is a well established body, provides a viable accreditation service for free range egg farms.

Freeranger – you are lucky enough to have a free range accreditation system in your industry. The rest of the meat industry are not. Certainly, if you are happy with your organization, why change.

You have misunderstood the Humane Choice label. It is not organic. Only the very strict animal welfare standards are the same as those of the organic standard.

"Humane Choice" Standards - Poultry
http://www.hsi.org.au/news_library_events/Humane%20Choice/Standards/Humane_Choice_Standards_Feb_06_specifics_Poultry.pdf

There are some rules on feed, but they relate to antibiotics, growth promotants and drugs etc.

Again, the Humane Society have given administration of the standard to NASAA so that there are no animal welfare groups involved. Humane Society found that the organic standard (animal welfare) had done the most to promote welfare friendly farming.

mjpb – we need to very carefully sort thru any animal welfare groups offering assistance to farmers. To be on the safe side, it is best to steer clear of them all! (with the exception of the RSPCA) They are all pushing their own viewpoint and can end up doing more harm than good. Even wendy slipped the other day and started raving about blood money from killing animals.??

That’s what I find reassuring about Humane Choice – animal extremist free zone.

Wendy, another id? I have to say I hate seeing RSPCA linked to PALE in that manner. I find it hard to believe you have permission to do that.

Pigfarmer, The Humane Choice Standards look fine for farms in those States which don't already have an effective certification body. The only concerns I have with their standard for Poultry, are the reference to teeth (don't know too many chooks with teeth) and the acceptance of lighting in the sheds for up to 16 hours a day - hardly allowing the birds to behave normally.

mjph.

The Free Range Farmers Support Group is made up of main stream ordinary public.

We are not a vegetarian group although everybody is welcome.

Looking for positive imput.

It is important we to build bridges with the farmers.


We must remember RSPCA are the Animal Welfare in Australia and it is important to work with public and farmers alike.



If you have an idea on how to help Animals we would love to hear from you.

You can also find us here.
http://www.rspcaqld.org.au/

Scouts forum is to discuss Animal Welfare and ways positive ideas of working together for improvment.

We are grateful To her to bring about this oportunity for Animals.

You need not join PALE or the RSPCA if you do not wish to .

You can simply assist with the free Range Farmers Support movement.

Its A happy Bunch of People who work together to bring about improvements for Animals Free Range Farmers and The community.

We are asking more for a little of your time to help animals.

Its A win Win for All Australians and Animals with a great bunch of Animal Welfare minded People.

Our overseas contacts are all keen to look at free Range Products and Free Range Farms.
I hope everybody will consider giving a few minutes of their time to support these projects
You can See some of our Free Range Support Sponsers by clicking here by clicking either of our sites the Free Range Farmers Support Group PALE or HKM. You need only type the enitials in a google search for either.

If anybody who would like to assist with listing free Range Products for our web page it would be welcomed.