Rosemary

I think we can help to provide an answer to your question.

I will tell you what promoted David Boaz to open this thread.

Time and time again we said David would you like to at least learn something of what is going on here in Australia.

Possibly even by attend a meeting with the Muslim Leaders of Australia as a silent spectator to give him insight as to what he was saying.

To give him a better idea about Muslims in general.
To give him some clue about what future problems might be.
We thought it would be sensible to start in Australia for Bozzie to understand the real truth and the real issues.
He has claimed not to see those invitations on at least a half a dozen occasions and when he finally admitted to seeing the last one he simply said - thanks and opened another anti Muslim thread

David we are now openly expressing our anger with Muslim leaders
With very good reason but by addressing real issues
Honestly you’ve turned olo into an anti Muslim site
No wonder the peaceful Muslim migrants are becoming scared and bitter.
Your rude and arrogant and personally I think its time the Government stopped you.
I don’t know if you are working because you seem to post in business hours and I recall you said you had a wife and family
Who is paying for all this nonsense’s David?
Us The Tax payers
A church perhaps. Its time we looked at 'you' never mind the Muslim People.

Romany.. actually I didn't think the thread would have as many legs as it has gathered.

My motivation was just to point out that we are not really 'sexist' when we attribute different complimentary roles to males and females.

The experience I alluded to in the beginning was an andecdotal one, and the girl was only around 20, so.. young gen. Sadly, each time I see her, she has more evidence of self harm, using a razorblade to slash herself repeatedly on her forearms, so perhaps that's why I kind of pay more attention to her than normally.

Vanilla seems to be full bottle on feminism, and desires to portray it in warm tones. She suggests

"While the head of Channel Nine news can go round saying "To make it in this industry a woman has to have f@ckability," we still need feminism."

Now..here my opinion_differs. The problem with the Chanel 9 exec is not that he needs a good dose of 'feminist' knocking him into shape, he needs to repent of his sinful attitude and get with the Biblical program of how to treat/regard a woman. (in purity as a sister/ and in giving of self for her)

You see.. 'Feminism' which is not connected to an enduring (dare I say 'eternal') value system might in the next generation be replaced by 'male-ism' and why not? This is where it is so plain to me, but not to the secularists/atheists. They just don't seem to 'get' the idea that social values can go in 'any' direction with equal philosophical validity. The fact that we have inherited a JudaoChristian value system somewhat insulates them from the reality of this.

If they went to some PNG tribal cultures, they might be more thankful for the wonderful and enlightened way women are regarded in Australia, relatively speaking.
Feminism will never stop at 'equality'. My evidence is hard for this.
Brochure at local police station "If 'he' is violent it is NEVER your fault" which is so insulting as to be borderline Nazism.

Robert knows this only too well from his violent ex.

Boazy: "Brochure at local police station 'If 'he' is violent it is NEVER your fault' which is so insulting as to be borderline Nazism."

You are beyond redemption, Boazy. Since you've gratuitously mentioned Nazism I hereby invoke Godwin's Law and declare that this thread has outlived useful discussion - if indeed it ever incorporated any.

Boazy, I'm uncomfortable with the label you attached to my ex. Whilst she has been violent in the past I don't think violence typifies her life or character. I'm still thinking about how to respond to that but I would note that I've never known her to exhault violence the way you so often do. It's late, I'm tired and I want to think on that for a bit.

I've mentioned my experience at times because it's relevant to the way DV is addressed in society, not to have my ex labeled as violent by you.

R0bert

Looking at the various themes in discussions on this forum, it seems that gender is a much bigger issue than I was aware of - maybe I live a far too insulated existence where men and women don't really speak about their rights we just get on with our work and our lives.

There is obviously a whole other world out there where people are harbouring some pretty aggressive and negative thoughts about the opposite sex, probably based on their own experiences and then transposing that on an entire gender.

Not a lot of hope here for us is there?

Maleism as Boazy puts it is already here, what makes you think it is coming? Feminism is not a dirty word Boazy, you argue that Christianity is not a dirty word even though some Christian priests have molested children. This does not mean all Christians are child molesters. The argument also holds for feminsts ie. if you or others on this forum have met man-hating feminists, does this mean all feminists are man-hating? No.

I have never met any of these man-hating feminists that people speak of nor too many blatant misogynists. I have never met anyone who has said violence is good and we all agree with that, so there is at least some common ground.

Feminism can also be liberating for men in that it can work to remove stereotypes that might restrict men from seeking more fulfilled lives such as sharing work/life responsibilities if that is their desire, in the same way that women have been able to (economics allowing).

You don't typically encounter them in daily life pelican because they are working behind the scenes to socially engineer society. BOAZ had a great example with that brochure and the essay i linked to may well go on to influence lawmaking or shore up support for even more censorship, despite it's deep flaws. What people get angry about is the war these activists (i have a hunch they mainly come from the left side of politics though it could be more equally balanced) wage to get their views imprinted into law-making and indoctrination of society and it's controllers in general. I googled a little and i think i found a great site to demonstrate exactly this phenomenon and the somewhat insidious effect it has on the male population.

http://glennsacks.com/blog/?cat=61

Take a look here and you will start to see the pattern. When it comes to interactions between the sexes, and there is conflict of some type, you can see that male rights are under assault and there isn't much holding back the feminists from getting their way...in fact they already have it for the most part.