Vanilla: "Do you look at CJ and think, "He stuck up for mozzies. Oo-er. That means he *loves* them. Hey, I just found a bit where he said he didn't love them! Omigod! He's *so*, like, a hypocrite"

Thanks Vanilla, but I think both the nuance and the observation will be lost on our Jack. According to him, because I argued against blatant homophobia in another thread, I'm obviously a poofter as well as an Islamophile.

As I've suggested previously, Jack is obviously an intellectual giant.

There is a nasty tendency in this forum for those who are bereft of actual argument to attribute extraneous values to those with whom they can't compete intellectually. If one objects to obvious bigotry against any minority group, one is automatically labelled as an overt supporter or sympathiser with that group.

Apologies to Bugsy, but he nailed it with his "Dickheadophobia isn't Islamophilia" comment. Substitute "Islam" with whatever object of hate you like, and that's about where I stand in these kinds of discussions.

Indeed CJ. It's the type of boorish der-brainedness that goes hand in hand with the profoundly old-fashioned "feminists are all man-haters," or Boazy's so-dated-it's-almost-retro, "the problem with the feminazis is that they want to be exactly the same as men." It's enough to make me don my bhurka and go live in a lesbian separatist mosque.

Vanilla,

Sorry I was probably thinking of SJF. I remember our discussions about the picture now. Thanks for the warm welcome.

Pelican,

'If your mission is to seek equal representation on these issues, it is not served by distorting statistics or diminishing the experiences of women. '

Just where have I 'distorted' statistics. I don't diminish the experiences of women either. I just called it a sympathy fest. I never said the sympathy wasn't deserved!

'... who do you think are the perpetrators?'
You're deliberately mis-representing my whole argument. You just cant comprehend any depictions in the ad of women hitting men can you. Even if I take your figures of 1 in 7, why not 1 depiction of women hitting men?

'Men need to get out there and lobby for better support and advocacy groups..'

I think domestic violence is better handled as an issue involving men and women, not two seperate issues, one with women being hit by men, then a seperate issue with men being hit by women. This attitude you have shown illustrates my point that feminism is about equality for women, and any advantages to men is a happy side effect. That's the natural progression from your attitude of men should fight their own battles.

Regardless DV is seen as something men do to women. Same as racism is something whites do to other colours. For men to fight domestic violence or 'raise awareness' (I HATE that term) we would need to re-brand DV now that the government has done this damage with it's one-sided campaign.

If I had the money I would launch an advertising campaign. To violence against men, Australia doesn't care. (Or maybe Australia doesn't believe you)

Vanilla, the point about CJ is that I've only ever seen him stick up for moslems (Oh, and anal sex too). I could refer you to other sources that challenge the Holohoax but, as you wouldn't agree with their conclusions, you would see them as 'dodgy' also. I tend not to believe, while you, having not been there, accept the whole sob-story without reservation. So who's gullible?

Bugsy/Brian, I have never referred to moslems as a race. Where did you get that from? As for the 'number of families who had relatives in the death camps'. Again it depends on what you believe. I believe that they were internment camps. I could be included as a member of your 'number of families' as I had a distant relative in a camp for political reasons. He lived to a ripe old age after the war.

CJ, I never suggested that you werer a poofter but you do advocate indulgence in going for the brown.

Whitty, interesting post. Indeed, violence against men exists. I once knew someone who was regularly hit by his wife (you know him Bugsy - remember 'Squeak' Connelly?). He used to make pathetic excuses if he turned up with marks on his face. Also, there is anti-White racism - just look at Mugabe.

Whitty, well said.

Jack the Lad,
It's fairly obvious that CJ Morgan is not muslim or fond of the beliefs associated with Islam. He's made it abundantly clear that what he is opposed to is the dishonest hate campaign wages against muslims by some (especially our resident christian fundies).

When we sit back and allow any group to be dishonestly targetted and villified we all loose. Apart from any concept of fair dealing and a liking for diversity there is always the self interest factor. If it's OK to tell lies about and promote hatred of muslims and homosexuals today then tomorrow the intollerant might set their sights on some group I belong to (agnostics, single dads etc).

I don't like monothiestic religion and I'm happily hetrosexual but I find the dishonesty used to villify muslims and to attack homosexuals disgusting and a threat to our society if allowed to go on unchallenged. If we value freedom then we need to challenge those who advocate hatred and lies at every opportunity.

R0bert