Errrr... Boaz?

>>Even the Germans tended to take a more humane approach than that Japanese. The Germans again, have that Western historical link to Christian tradition.<<

Auschwitz?

http://www.pbs.org/auschwitz/

Belsen?

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/BergenBelsen/ConcentrationCamp.html

Dr Mengele?

http://www.auschwitz.dk/Anker/Mengele/

Boaz, do you ever actually read what you write?

Perilous.... the SS and its ilk is rather different from the "Germans".

Those who ran the death camps were completely deprogrammed from their culture.. you should know this.

TRTL.. Your point about 'it just is' needs further exploration.

It only 'is' because of how we humans organize ourselves in the light of our physical and emotional differences. If traditional means a closer reflection of 'function follows form' or.. each according to his ability and natural inclinations..then I don't see why 're-asserting traditional roles' is a problem.

There is really something very enriching with a large gathering of men and women where everyone knows their place and what is expected of them.
We had a family re-union yesterday. If some problem was encountered.. lets say the little bridge needed to be re-inforced. Sure.. it 'could' be all hands on deck, but how much nicer if the blokes all jump into it with their needed strength while the girls make a nice meal for them ? It just seems so natural. I've found that traditional societies.. tribal.. inevitably work this way.

"There is really something very enriching with a large gathering of men and women where everyone knows their place and what is expected of them."

Enriching to who? Enriching to the transvestites, homosexuals or even wiccans who are likely to be ostracised by those who "know their place and what is expected of them?"

Expected by who? Who is to be judge?

It's all well and good to speak of that, but I find a large gathering of people who are accepting of others regardless of harmless things like sexual or dress preference to be much more enriching than one that judges, by "knowing their place."

Provided I'm not hurting you or anyone else and treat others with respect 'my place' would be whatever I damn well define it as.

"Those who ran the death camps were completely deprogrammed from their culture.. you should know this."

Interesting. I note the use of "you should know this" to cover up the fact that you didn't really have an answer and have had to resort to deliberately vague tosh.

"We had a family re-union yesterday. If some problem was encountered.. lets say the little bridge needed to be re-inforced. Sure.. it 'could' be all hands on deck, but how much nicer if the blokes all jump into it with their needed strength while the girls make a nice meal for them ? It just seems so natural."

If it's nicer for you, do it that way. It's simply a matter of suppressing your male AND female family members' natural talents, strengths, individuality and creative impulses in order to keep it traditional and, as you say, "nice". I'm sure they'll thank you for it.

Pericles, apart from newsreels and so-called witness statements, how do we really know what happened at Auschwitz etc.?
We all know that history is written by the victors. Revisionist authors have been presenting other versions of the subject over the last few years. If their work is a lie, why are they banned in many countries?

I visited Auschwitz in the late 70's and was not convinced of its authenticity given the condition of the buildings that were supposedly 40 or so years old.

also see http://www.rense.com/general53/aauz.htm

As you can see, there are two sides to the story. I wasn't there when the events allegedly happened so I can't know the truth. I do have my views and opinions on the matter.

Boazy you said:

"The term "feminism" is by nature 'sexist' in a negative way. Suggesting a promotion of the interests of only one gender. Far better to embrace a term more inclusive and less confrontational."

Feminism does not promote the interests of women as superior to men. Feminism grew out of inequality, there was a time when women were considered ineligible to vote. Feminism is a movement that lobbies for equal rights and treatment for women in a world where men still make most of the decisions.

Feminism is sometimes distorted for spurious reason into some sort of man-hating movement to deflect from the real issues.