Classic Boazy drivel. Others have already dignified it by giving more response than it deserves. He's just fishing here.

CJ, I'm glad that you're not surprised by my contribution. It only means that I am not taken in by the mainstream version of those events. As I wrote before, the victors write history, so is it all propaganda or not? I admitted that I was not there at the time so I can never be sure. Nothing wrong with an open mind.

Were you there at the time?

There is pretty much nothing funnier than someone claiming that listening to Jeff Rense proves that they're "open-minded". Jack, there's a grey slodgy thing on the floor under your ear. You might want to... you know... just maybe leave it ajar, rather than totally open.

Meanwhile, Holocaust denialism seems to be back in fashion on these boards. Think I might get some t-shirts made up.

Feminazi, while an outdated and term hard to take seriously, is a rather accurate description. most women don't realise that the core of feminism is extremely hostile toward men. They are not "fringe". They are the lobbyists and the ones who scream loudest at perceived injustices, to demand change, and are often given it merely to avoid being smeared in the media. Some of these misconceptions by mainstream feminists can be seen here:

"Feminism is sometimes distorted for spurious reason into some sort of man-hating movement to deflect from the real issues."

At the very same time you have on these boards an article is posted that shows a rather disgusting display of misandry (and the writer says they are a candidate for a PHD at some university if you can believe it):

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=7032

And i've seen way too many discussions on female circumcision from feminists who support male circumcision...absolute hypocrisy. Any such objectionable practice on a young child is gender neutral. There is no need for the movement any more. Discrimination and harassment are gender neutral. Things like circumcision are gender neutral. Professions that require physical strength *should* be gender neutral, but you have special considerations today for women, which endanger lives (firefighting, police work, and army). The movement has gone from equality, to an invasion of the male domain and sexism has been now enacted in law. the core of the movement has to now justify it's own existence and is now blind to when it should finally just shut up and die. Ironically, while the term feminazi has been said here to be old the movement itself should have died long ago. it teaches women to be victims and they hence act like them. it's poison. for example, women that empower themselves through their own female differences (xxx adult industry is a great example), are attacked by feminists. feminism is why you rarely meet a friendly lesbian, but always find friendly gay male couples

Steel.

Interesting.

I think feminism is a massively broad church and your response to it too narrow. I'm a feminist, yet I think the article you link to is idiotic and affirmative action is a crock. My mates are feminists, yet they're the very opposite of man-haters - most of us are happily married to men who won't stand bossing.So why is she more of a feminist than I?

Many of the old battles have been won. However, I still believe there's a need for the feminist movement to exist. While the head of Channel Nine news can go round saying "To make it in this industry a woman has to have f@ckability," we still need feminism.

At the same time, I support many men's complaints. I agree with several OLO posters, for example, that DV ads are fundamentally unhelpful because they paint all domestic violence as man on woman. Far better to encourage both sexes to learn how to manage their anger.

But we still need feminism. When Eva Cox complained that there weren't enough women on K-Rudd's 2020 committee, I thought she concluded wrongly. It wasn't about the PM appointing more women, the issue is that, while there are many differences between men and women, sheer brain power isn't among them (though the synapsis may snap to different beats) and there's not good reason why there shouldn't be as many women contributing as men. It would be tokenism to stick women on that committee who didn't deserve to be there, but it is to the detriment of both men and women that we're failing to supply a qualified selection.

Your victim talk baffles me. If there's one thing I've learnt from OLO, it's that men like HRS and James and Whitty (I don't know about you) seriously believe they are victims of feminism. My feminist mother taught me *not* to be a victim, and I can truthfully say I've never been victimised in my entire life.

And for the record, I'm against all circumcision too.

I get your anger, but I think your feminist is largely a straw-woman.

I would be seriously interested in knowing actually what motivated this thread?

It seems it was not at all what was posted originally. Because as soon as it was realised that there was no controversy there and all were in harmony, the question abruptly changed. From "Sexism or Culture" we slide off into deliberately provocative racist remarks, the ever-popular bestiality non sequitur, and slap bang into the much travelled path of feminism. Plenty for all to come to blows with in that little mix.

It begins to look as though it is the term "discussion" that should really be looked into here. Has it become equated with the words "rancorous argument" for some, then? It's somehow unsatisfying to post a thread on which people are in agreement, and you only get good value if everyone's at each other's throats? Why on earth, otherwise, wouldn't a person think, "Ah cool, I was mistaken, seems we're all on the same page" and move on?

There are a plethora of subjects that would probably be interesting to find out about like oh, I dunno:- What do people REALLY think happens to the other sock in a washing machine; what was everyone's absolute toe-curlingly most embarrassing moment; is there a link between the pyramids of Egypt and the pyramids of South America; are cats the remnant of an invading force of extra terrestrials....ANYTHING that is not just the reiteration of one person's conviction that their particular belief system is superior to all others.