TarynW, pale, who ever is posting as pale today, calm please, in his post C J Morgan was having as much a go at me as you.
However he was right in his rebuttal of your rape story.
Before whites came a very strong set of laws regards sex and life its self existed.
Even in the last 40 years we have stopped those laws being continued, but not replaced them with laws that work.
If such rapes took place it would only be in the minds of story tellers, death would be inflicted for such a crime.
Your claim we yes as you say did not exist then to see it our selves weakens your own, wrong claims.
No doubt about it the coming of whites killed of Aboriginal laws and sometimes culture.
In some cases it was abandoned not taken away.
The damage CHRISTIANS did is still visible not just in Australia but in many Pacific Island nations.
We however live now, it serves little purpose to say todays problems are only white mens.
A poster again tells here in this forum of dreadful crimes this very wrong welfare system did to white children.
Do we devalue that? are crimes against children worse if they are one color?
The life of far too many Aboriginals is dreadful!
In over 240 years it has not improved why?
Will flooding the problem with money fix it?
we must fix it but Not convict us all, C J Morgan I understand and respect your view but surely you understand most Australians do not subscribe to the blame the whites way as the only answer?

PALEIF - there was nothing "personal" about it. Besides which, who knows which person we're talking to when addressing you?

I note that you didn't provide any evidence for your vilificatory comment.

Belly, I agree that money isn't the answer, at least in and of itself. However, a formal acknowledgement that contemporary Aboriginal problems derive directly from colonial destruction of Aboriginal society and expropriation of their land might assist in formulating a new constructive dialogue between the remnant Indigenous minority and the dominant culture.

Understandably, the dominant culture is uncomfortable with the visible pathology of its continuing colonial relationship with the Indigenous people upon whose extinction its identity was originally constructed. A generation or two ago, the bureaucratic solution to this very problem was to take "half-caste" children from their mothers and thence brutalise them in the name of assimilation.

Yes, there were some successful outcomes - but far more failures. Now that we are once again confronted with the sexual expression of the destruction of traditional Aboriginal kinship and tribal structures, it seems the best we can come up with is the neocolonial "intervention" legacy of our erstwhile and unlamented Federal government.

My respect for Rudd will increase if he offers a formal apology to Australia's Indigenous people for the destruction of their societies and ways of life, and for their dispossession and subsequent appalling treatment by settlers and their ancestors.

That might constitute the basis for real 'reconciliation'.

Bugger.

I obviously meant "settlers and their descendants".

HO"HO"HO" MERRY XMASS TO THE FOPRGTTEN AUSTRALIANS AND OF THOSE WHO ARE NO LONGER WITH US GOD BLESS ? cj morgan do me this favour what about those of the forgotten australians will you ever want to say sorry to us victims as you said well and good to mr rudd for the aboriginials what about us victims the forgotten australians ,i was placed in institutional care run by our state of N.S.W . DARUK BOYS HOME WINDSOR NOW JOHN MORONEY CORRECTIONAL CENTRE . yet their is still no apoligy to us victims W.A. says sorry to their their victims because they know the cover up must stop of what the previous goverments all have done ,i only hope that mr rudd will speak to our leaders in our state . as i have sent them faxes and emails the forgotten australians will no longer be forgotten MERRY XMASS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL KIND REGARDS HUFFNPUFF ,MICHEAL BROWN ,

C J Morgan I offer no difference to you claims, sadly they are mostly true.
Those drawings used to tell about the white mans laws, those the first fleet put out showing the death of both white or blacks would result in hangings are evidence we did not start out to murder.
Some however did, those gifts of sugar and food did as much harm, yes say sorry.
But are todays actions always the fault of whites?
Yes we did change Aboriginal culture, sometimes we made room for its abandonment, not murder.
But can we always blame just whites?
How then did some climb to be great Australians like a states governor?
But I find hope in your statement seemingly agreeing cash payment is not the answer.
If we must spend ten times ten the 3 billion some elders are asking for on services and such , not wasted on jobs for whites do it.
But the side issues must be addressed huffnpuff is speaking of modern day crimes against children.
Not a racial issue but a product of the same miss directed child welfare system my early posts talk of ,it is at the roots of the wrongs done to Aboriginals.
Last pale!
Gee do you understand I do not dislike you? every one of you? who posts today? no one could ever know!
Your own words not mine question that, time and again you say some one else is posting as pale.

Morgan
So we are going to call my grand parents who took in and educated children Evil are we?
How Stupid.
What you must understand is - not all the kids were worse off.

None of Us were there so WE are not responsible for what others did and I certainly do NOT agree that all people were evil who housed aboriginal children.
So we are going to brand all the good people who did the RIGHT thing Evil are we? We are going to apoligise for all the good things my grand parents and many others did?
How insulting!
Sure ANYBODY who was raped or mistreated SHOULD be compenstated.
Dont now how they could show evidence now - but still.

Many will tell you they were very well treated and loved their foster parents.

If you really want to help todays aboriginal people fight for them to have their own free range farms and assistance to train and export products after they have value added through their own factories.
That will bring more schools tecks unis Drs Infustructure and above all their inderpendance and furture for the next generation.

Belly I am part aboriginal and I can assure you the grog IS the problem.
When the settlers first came they were employed in many areas after a while.
Then the unions caused trouble and they all ended up sitting on the river banks drinking grog.
There is a little bit of union historty that must have escpaed you.
Oh boy- I can just imagine your reply.
Thats the thing with you belly you wont listen to anything if it highlights problems unions caused in the past.
It would have been far better had the unions left the aboriginal people alone.
They were quite happy with their working conditions and pay.
Thats was the first of the grog instead of work.
Trouble over unions!