Belly

You might be unbalanced I guess becauise nothing could explain the above post and your rambling.

My comments and praise to haygirl are well earned.

Here we have a person with the strenght to speak out fairly and put things in the right prospective.

Why shouldnt she be praised!

Your dislike of pale ever since you made a dork of yourself by asking- What has Rudd and China to do with live exports? Is becoming tiresom.

What I didnt bother Haygirl with- But would have loved to was our MOUs with quite a few Aboriginal Councils regarding projects to give complete inderpendance to Aboriginal people especially living in regional areas.

We have dealt with many aboriginal people and councils belly= unlike yourself.

Haygirl is a clear leader and we would do cart wheels to have her involved in running these programes.

The reason I didnt mention it is - Respect.

I respect Haygirl has a busy life and is self sufficent= most likely married and busy raising a family.

Who ever those lucky children are will have the very best start in life because they willl learn the right attitude.

Everything stems from a persons attitude Belly.

Yours isnt on the same level I am afraid.

Dead set you claim your good at sorting out disputes as a union leader.
God help this country if there are any more union leaders like you around.

You think every thread is about you!- and OLO is some sort of contest for the most popular guy or something.

Haygirl is brillant and your more than a little odd to be upset by pale posting well deserved comments to her or any other poster for that matter.
Get help- You clearly require it.

Belly: "But while I will debate issues with most I avoid street corner speakers who are only interested in their own words."

Well said mate. I generally don't bother with the Gold Coast sewing circle these days, except as I did in this thread to correct a particularly egregious claim from one of their number (who knows which?). I note that they've back-pedalled somewhat on their offensive suggestion that gang rapes of Aboriginal children were a feature of traditional Aboriginal society.

I also think their claims to be working with Aboriginal councils and to have established formal MOUs with them to somewhat less than credible. But that's about what we expect from this strange little organisation - on the basis of the drivel that they regularly post here.

Morgan
Another one who has not bothered to read links and web pages posted over the last few years.
Our MOUs with Aboriginal Councils in QLD are certainly NOT new.
We also hold MOUS with Islamic leaders Australia wide which I believe is the first.
You continue however to post pale are racists.
Comments such as pale are racist pigs were common until the editor stepped in finally.
Isnt it interesting that Haygirl wasnt offended by our posts.
Just goes to show there is nothing wrong with anybody bar their intentions.
Our Intentions have always been to improve Animal Welfare especially in regional areas where there are many aboriginal people very capable of running their own free range farms plants small goods and producing world class products from exports. Just ask QLD Government Warren Pitt about our work if your in any doubt!

Yes I agree with Taryn that the drinking IS a huge problem.
Nobody said Aboriginal people "were" pack abusing young children!

What was said for the LAST TIME WAS- We have no way of knowing what they saw but we think the idea of removing the children was mostly from good intent.
Some low life men decided however they could rape and abuse these children black or white.
Interesting isnt it that most horrible crimes and nasty acts are carried out by men and mostly in groups.
Of course there was always the odd farmers wife that didnt want to face the facts that her husband snuck out to the kids room in the night.
They would be JUST as guilty in my eyes.
If you really cared about aboriginal people you would get off your bum like we did twleve years ago! and create some programes to help.
Haygirl fyi=
http://www.halakindmeats.com/

I have started a thread previously about MY problems.The thing is i don't have any problems,i have learnt to look after myself and put the past behind me. What happened all those years ago are just memories from a rather unusual childhood.I am not the topic of discussion here and i do apologise if what i have said has caused people to go off on a different tangent.I don't believe that removing aboriginal children was evil and thought given my backgroud i may have some input of value.Yes i do have children,grandchildren and a husband.I am also a coordinator for
a group of ex state wards in Qld.When the children were removed from bad environments i do not believe it was with evil intent.I believe their was not enough policing in the homes,state and private,and that was the major problem.The lack of support services and follow ups.This problem is still with us today.I will support any person that feels let down by the system till my last breath but i don't feel that i need to be compensated or felt sorry for.That is what occured then,unfortunately.We just need to see it doesn't happen again.Will people please return to the topic as i am feeling quite uncomfortable with the way things are heading.

In a post on Saturday 22/12/2007 at the time of 7.14.14 in this thread pale said, well go back and read what pale said and what just above they say they said. yet here we are told it never was said?
Is it a lie?, well it is untrue but just maybe the people who post under that name are unaware of the value of truth.
haygirl feel no guilt you never hurt or diverted the thread.
Read long lasting threads on this forum and you will see true miss use.
I can no longer debate with what appears to be a group of embittered females from some refuge, it is at least a refuge from reality.
Australia and the world will always have intensive farming, right now if you , and I have, make a choice to buy free range that costs much more and is often a fraud.
I would pay more but for honest free range not lies.
I will dodge further debate with the great number posting as pale so leave this thread but I do think any group would be of better help to animal welfare than this group.
I leave pale with this thought.
If you give more value to your thoughts than they earn and less to those who oppose you you have lost the fight before it starts.
I think that means common since out ways screaming and bitchyness.

Haygirl
The transfer of Brad Saunders from the QLD Government Department to West is a pure win for Toomooba area but also a great loss to other areas.

As you are probably aware Warren is no longer the Minister for Aboriginal affairs in QLD as well.

We have raised issues with the new Ministers advisor and hope to attend meetings along with RSPCA QLD reps and Islamic leaders in the new year.

Graham Dillon a long time friend is very busy with the new convention center to be opended on the Gold Coast.

What we need is another person looking to take over certain parts of a programe to open a teck for training and also work with RSPCA QLD to educate Aboriginal people.

A united effort that will eventually see Aboriginal RSPCA Inspectors to work with their own people.

Often dogs are a problem for the health of the young children who play with them.

Many a wormie and unkept.

The problem in the past has been whenever RSPCA have attended to treat some of these animals and give basic education- There isnt one dog to be found anywhere.

The people hide them and I dont know how they do it but from dogs roaming around all over the place you cant see even one for days!

Very Clever.

We have been offered funding from QLD State Government to reopen a property two hours drive from QLD.

It is Aborigial owned and well know.

Anyway these positions are on a non paid basis until they are established.
Once working well I cant see why the QLD Government then would not consider a couple of full time positions.

Our main area of work is on the link I provided earlier.

Belly
Unless you actually wish to do something to assist establish aboriginal training centers like the ones we are working on right now on the Gold Coast do not address us.
David CEO Pale