"Sorry, I like animals but idiotic arguments like those presented by PALEIF, dickie and TarynW only cause me to question the credibility of the most prolific animal rights advocates in this forum."

CJ Morgan. Which part of the argument do you regard as "idiotic?"

And why do you continue to preface your objections with:

"I like animals but....?"

Because you don't and it is your credibility which is questionable...not ours. We speak the facts with passion. I make no apology.

Let's face it C J. You secretly endorse the continuing torture of animals.

Do you also object to the "idiotic" outbursts from those who care for whales?

In a previous thread you claim to be a member of the Greens and argued the following:

"so would you mind indicating which (Green) policies are "idiotic?"

The oppressive, Robert Mugabe also uses a similar hypocritical argument to quell "idiotic" protests from his detractors while his Black Boots attach electrodes to their victims' genitals.

Perhaps, you could divert your "Green" lobbying skills to counselling rock ape, Peter McGauran, whose "idiotic," extremist philosophies, promoting animal torture, placed this hypocrite in the shadows too...just where you and he belong.

Idiotic arguments? How about these:

dickie: "Oooh....that does sound good Yabby. Your Father of Sadism (Marquis) would be delighted"

TarynW: "As they say- Clever race the Chinease.
They operate the same way as the big crime bosses peddling their drugs.

Get um hooked and dependant first then put the prices up.
Millions Of Ozzies starving to death will be the picture down the track!"

There's stacks more, though I concede that PALEIF's comments on this thread are perhaps better described as unnecessarily aggressive than idiotic. I merely suggested you guys tone it down a bit if you want people to tale your cause seriously. You know, the thing about attracting more flies with honey etc.

As it is, the anti-live exports people here seem to attack personally anybody who disagrees with them even slightly - which is not a good look I'm afraid. It's all been said before, so I don't expect they'll listen this time either.

So much for the animals, eh?

"As it is, the anti-live exports people here seem to attack personally anybody who disagrees with them even slightly - which is not a good look I'm afraid.

Yet more propaganda from CJ Morgan.

1. There is only one poster (not "anybody") on OLO who disagrees with those who seek justice for defenceless animals. That is the sadist, Yabby - the exporter of live sheep.

I suggest you read Yabby's smarmy "idiotic" insults to his opponents and his deceitful claims before you attack those who have learnt to defend themselves from his onslaughts.

2. "It's all been said before, so I don't expect they'll listen this time either."

How "idiotic" is that? Why are YOU on this thread? Hello, are we keeping you up CJ?

The people ARE listening.

And the silent majority continue to read of the heinously cruel practices in this industry.

The media are printing reports almost weekly.

There are protests all around the world over Australia's live animal export industry.

Take a hint, CJ Morgan. You're enough to turn anyone off the Greens. I would recommend they become more selective in their membership and consider throwing you out - or perhaps you're just a troll?

Why don't you register for the Howard Reich? They sure could do with some help from people like yourself who just happen to be the minority in this country.

And all gratitude to Mr Rudd who has not displayed any of the characteristics of avarice and abuse which was rampant in his predecessor and his team of "black boots."

Pale, I am being honest in claiming that the whole debate is far more complex
then your black and white little world of hysteria. One has to examine arguments
and their implications from all sides, not just from one very limited, extremist
side. That is exactly what I do.

Dickie thinks we should not be farming at all. You seem to think we can force
and compel people into jobs for which they have absolutaly no aptitude or willingness,
or suitable state of mind. You can’t put people addicted to drugs
or alcohol on a meat chain, Worksafe would shut you down really quick. Besides,
we are not in Russia either, people have choices in our society, that’s the reality.

Every single meatworks in WA is short of staff and with all the help of Govt
agencies and others, they still can’t find workers. You have yet to suggest a
magic formula to change that reality and Soviet style rules won’t do it for you.

Next is the issue of drought. A valid case can be made that the live trade played
a vital role in reducing animal suffering during droughts. When there is no food
for livestock, local works are full and can’t handle any more and farmers have
no money to buy fodder, animals suffer. That’s the reality. By moving millions
of livestock to other places of slaughter and providing funds to farmers to buy
fodder for their remaining stock, much potential suffering would have been
averted.

“Millions Of Ozzies starving to death will be the picture down the track!”

Claims like the one above, make my case for me. We want rational debate,
not hysterical claims from you.

As for your videos, anyone with an agenda can take a video camera, sneak
around and try to promote their agenda.. That does not mean
that they project a valid, overall objective view of an industry. We need an
honest and objective assessment of animal handling and slaughter methods
in the ME and how they could be improved and I suggest that its not made
by vegetarians.

"Dickie thinks we should not be farming at all."

A ludicrously ridiculous statement and a bald-faced lie.

"We need an honest and objective assessment of animal handling and slaughter methods in the ME and how they could be improved and I suggest that its not made by vegetarians."

Here's Scott Hansen's "honest and objective assessment" on the cruelty to animals in the Middle East: This is what he told the ABC:

'Scott Hansen from Meat and Livestock Australia says the film footage contains some of the worst cases of animal cruelty he's ever seen.'

So an "honest assessment" has already been performed by your leader, Yabby which again reveals that you are a bald-faced liar!

However, I am confident that Mr Rudd's team will be perfectly capable of sifting through your vacuous disinformation and realise they are dealing with a false witness who relishes defiling defenceless animals and who will continue to perjure himself in his lust for profit.

"A ludicrously ridiculous statement and a bald-faced lie."

Dickie, perhaps you should trawl through your own past
posts, where you constantly mention the evils of farming
livestock "for a profit". Once again you contradict yourself.

Scott Hansen made a valid comment about extremely limited
footage from the ME. Thats a long way from claiming that
these practises are considered normal in the ME.

The animal libber group promoting these videos, AFAIK is
also a promoter of vegeratarianism, encouraging people
to give up meat eating. Not exactly main stream stuff.

Their agenda about the live trade is clear, so where
is the objective information?

Any political party which wants to remain credible, will
have to examine ALL the data, not just give way to
extremist hysteria.

Its interesting that when people like CJ mention some
of these extemist claims, people like you go for
the proverbial jugular. Thats hardly rational debate,
more like passion dominating any ability to reason.