PALEIF: " I dont think anybody has the right to tell somebody what to wear."

I agree completely. But wasn't it you prattling on not so long ago about women wearing hijabs?

Pale, you still don't get it lol, but I don't think that you
ever will, so I am not holding my breath.

Governments, Austrade, MLA etc, don't build meatworks, private
enterprise does. We are a market economy. Those organisations
facilitate some things, that is all.

I encouraged the WA Govt to appoint exactly that, ie a facilitator
to help private enterprise get through Govt red tape. They won't,
ok. Thats got nothing to do with the Feds, Austrade, MLA or anyone
else.

As to AWB, thats all over now. Yup Landmark act as agents for
some live shippers, that is not illegal. So what? Its legitimate
business, but only a very tiny part of the Landmark business,
which AWB bought from Wesfarmers, in case they lost their monopoly.
As its turned out, it was a wise decision.

The whole AWB story was overblown anyhow. 2000 companies dealt
with Iraq, one was thoroughly investigated. The farmers lost
millions because of that whole investigation. Its a real shame
but thats politics. The Americans have played dirty selling
wheat, with all their subsidies, for eons. This time AWB
played the game and was nailed. What about all those American
companies that supplied Iraq? What about the hundreds of millions
that Iraq still owes us farmers? They never did pay their debt,
so once again, farmers were the losers

Yabby
AWB is not over. Its only just started. As they all head for the hills because they no longer have the power to cover everything up we will not allow anybody that can be charged to walk free.

Philip Rudock Vaile Howard and Downer all said they had no idea who was supposed to fund the enquiry.

Thats easy. We the people.

As we funded the begining we shall the end.

Do not post to me as if I was a fool.

Who do you think blew the whistle on Wesfarmers anyway?

Who contacted Downer and Vaile in 2003 and warned live export money was going a stray- through Wesfarmers and then over to AWB
It was biz as usual.

Whats changed you ask.
Plenty.
The public are now better informed.
No Mr Vaile its certainly far from over.

Thats a promise.

The big losers in the AWB enquiry have been the farmers, the
big winners have been rich lawyers. Lets hope that Mr Rudd
does not pee anymore taxpayer dollars up against walls, to
make lawyers even richer.

Yabby
Run Rabitts Run- But Justice will be done.
You dont mind our tax dollars going into MLA Yabby.
You dont mind the public purse paying all sorts of subs and buddy system deals to FF or Austrade Yabby.
You dont even mind our public funds going off shore to build more holding yards to take even more of these poor alive creatures from Australia.
You dont mind OUR jobs being shipped off shore with OUR funds supporting it.

Your just scared because yu know once the final leg of this story is disclosed it will be the begining of the end.
AWB is a win win for the ALP.
They over looked it last time - but hey look what they have had offered to them on a plate.
We are taliking joal terms here Yabby- Isnt it exciting.

They would be mad to let Vaile and Downer along with Ruddock close it down.
The farmers can use their votes and voices best by insisting both federal and state Governments cut red tape and make some offers toward farmer involved abattoirs.
Farmers have a duty of care towards the animals they breed and jobs fr Australias
Especially the next generation regional kids.
They have made little attempt themselves to do something about this cruelty.
All eyes on farmers lack of action and protests this year.

"Your just scared because yu know once the final leg of this story is disclosed it will be the begining of the end."

Beginning of the end of what? More rich lawyers getting even richer,
is about all I can see. Personally I'd rather see that money put
into animal welfare, as MLA and farmers do.

Jobs are not the issue in this debate, certainly not in West Australia.
It is pointless creating jobs that nobody wants. If
you want to create jobs, do so where there are unemployed, like
in Melbourne, where cars are made. Yet most Aussies drive imports.

As to what is cruel, farmers simply don't take the housewifely
perceptions that you do. They are generally a bit tougher then
that. You claim that putting any sheep on a boat is cruel, I don't.
It depends on the boat, conditions etc.

You claim that slitting an animals throat is cruel, I say that
depends. Pain and perceptions of pain can be quite different.
We still have lots to learn.

I see that with one of my very own dogs right now. She lost nearly
all the skin on her right thigh, from the toxin of a spider bite.
The result looked horriffic, 6 by 8 inches of red meat! Yet the
vet put her on no anesthetics, just anti inflammatories and anti biotics.
She's been slowly healing for 6 weeks in my kitchen.
Look at it and you would scream ouch, yet she is clearly not in any
pain. Pain and perceptions of pain are different, I've learnt that.