PF
Peter McGauran`s Advisor contacted us yesterday.

Many things were discussed but one of them was the need to work towards alternatives which is much of what kerry Obriens saying .

Clearly despite the best efforts of some fantasic people things have got worse instead of better.

There is increased more live exports, icreased intensive farming and on.

This peak Animal welfare advisory group that has outcasted pale and their progects must be addressed and he agrees.

If you are a peak organisation of anything you must represent and communicate with all the players and groups and people involved.

We can all learn from one another and it is only by working in a sensible manner we will acheive improvements.
Dont you get it?
It cant be represented ONLY from a veggie point of view.

Many or most Australians are meat eaters.
We need people also prepared to work with the farmers.
Didnt you hear Peter McGuran on Land Line saying- Oh but its all coming from ONE extreme group? That effects us ALL.
that damages OUR work!

Thats NOT helping the Animals.
I do not agree it should all be organised by one lot of people.

Nor do I agree that any people should by shut out from being able to put forth alternative ideas for improving animal welfare.

Neither does he and is looking into it.

Ask yourself how many of them have taken up our offer to acheive a string of new free range farms.
None
They wrote back saying they could NEVER be involved with assisting to open abattoirs.
Yes we respect people have that right but why block us from our rights to get the word out to find alternatives.

Through this "peak group" our proposals are certainly NOT being represented by them.

A point not lost With Peter McGaurans or Kerry Obriens office.

Again you miss my point pale. I was suggesting you run one concentrated campaign on your issue, i will run mine.

You need to understand that the government is not responsible for how many free range farmers there are in this country. It is a matter for the farmer to decide how he/she wants to do things.

It is up to industry associations to offer encouragement. We are not a communist country that can order what people will and wont do on the land.

Free range farming requires the management skills of people with some compassion for animals. The last thing we want is for people seeing dollar signs to jump and exploit them. The term free range by neglect springs to mind.

pF
I hear you. Not ignoring you. Busy re the horse culling in QLD
Will get back to this thread very soon.
I must say just quickly the Government have a reasonsibilty to ensure proper treatment.
There are thousands of people out there who wouldnt mind a life style change PF.
Sure they would have to be trained and supervised for a good while.
Its doable.
Just because we have some cruel intensive people in Australia doesnt mean we dont have some wonderful people who would put their heart and soul into a new life and tree change.

Have faith and good luck with all you are doing.
Oh MLA I am sure would SHARE THE FUNDING THAT THE GOOD PUBLIC PAY TOWARDS PROMOTING FREE RANGE FARMERS.
After all the Federal Government do have a say where the funding goas

PF
Just quickly I wanted to repond to your comments. It is up to the Government to encourage humane treatment of farm animals.
With a well organised and funded Ag school educating migrants and tree change familes there is no reason why free range farmers can not be trained.
You must addmitt none of the anti eating intensive progects have had much effect
The truth is free range pork is harder to get than ever.
You cant have a peak animal welfare assocation that refuse to even discuss progects to train free range farmers otr have anything to do with plants.
Its as simple as that.
This is not a vegatrain country and if we are fair dinkim about making changes we must get involved in making those changes

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/17/2093611.htm

Does Mr McGauran truly believe our live export animals will be treated with any respect when the Saudi court system inflicts 200 lashes of the whip and six months imprisonment on a victim of rape?

Reflect on this barbarism, prior to next Saturday's election Mr McGauran, for you may need to seek other employment in which to prostitute yourself.

Happiness is mine when I advise that I shall indeed include you in my meditations for a favourable outcome, cruel Sir.

Midas McGauran wouldnt have the job if he cared.
Although he is only the Minister for Ag.
This whole problem is `trade driven.`

I hate to sound like a bore but until people come up with alternatives- And I might add - Good ones - There is nothing he you or I can do.
The counter argument MUST be to reopen plants and slaughter here.

However nobody wants to help push that or assist us to actually do do that.

re open plants here.

Its the truth Dickie and the sooner you face it the better off you will be.

Thousands of good people just like yourself have put in their time and some spent their lifes working- Trying to MAKE people care.

For thirty years people have protested the cruel live trade.
Its trippled.

You dont like pale because we post the truth Dickie.
However we care enough about the animals andjobs for Oz to keep trying!