"Well Dickie, firstly I remind you that alot of pastoralists nearly
went broke farming merinos and have converted to damaras or cattle."

Not in my pastoral region, Yabby - they're still Merinos - and big profits.

"Lots of pastoralists are in the middle of the booming mineral
areas and have made far more money from all that information,
playing the stock market, then farming ever made them."

Ooooh....lucky them though didn't you say they were hard up?

Those not in the live animal export market generally don't risk their earnings playing big time on the speculative share market unless of course they can afford to lose. Where did these cash strapped live animal exporters get the moola to play these games? From us - the taxpayer?

More falsifications, Yabby?

You know Yabby, the more I assess you, the more I prefer dogs!

http://www.liveexport-indefensible.com/investigations/photos.php

. http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:sz0e41mclaMJ:sweetness-light.com/archive/the-eid-festival-around-the-world-graphic-photos+animal+torture+muslim+festivals&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au&lr=lang_en

Dickie, given your clear lack of knowledge about sheep, most likely you
would not know the difference between a damara and a merino!

Let alone have the foggiest about station profitability, which I
remind you makes up a few% of the sheep population.

Have you for instance seen what happens when you half fill a truck
with sheep? They fall about all over the place. Thats why full
truckloads of sheep make perfect sense, but housewives don't know
that kind of thing I guess, no matter where they live.

Most smart farmers do in fact have off farm investments, they are
far more profitable then farming and often save the farm. Borrowing
for off farm investments makes perfect sense.

Those farmers going bust, are usually those who rely purely on
farming. These surveys are regularly published in the farming
press. Perhaps you should bother to inform yourself, rather then
look out the window and speculate.

Now, how many hundred pastoralists are there? How many thousands
of farmers? How many sheep in pastoral country? How many in the
ag regions? Looking out the window tells you nothing about
agriculture.

I have no problem with dogs, I certainly prefer mine to you
any day :)

"Have you for instance seen what happens when you half fill a truck
with sheep? They fall about all over the place. Thats why full
truckloads of sheep make perfect sense, but housewives don't know
that kind of thing I guess, no matter where they live."

Oh dearest Yabby. My humblest apologies for being so excessively obtuse.

And you know, had I applied logic, I would have learnt from recalling the history of the Nazis' strategy for their cattle cars to Auschwitz, transporting the "livestock" on their way to the Final Solution.

Of course the "Car Full" sign was necessary to prevent passengers from falling over and bruising their flesh - tsk tsk, silly me!

http://www.liveexport-indefensible.com/investigations/photos.php

. http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:sz0e41mclaMJ:sweetness-light.com/archive/the-eid-festival-around-the-world-graphic-photos+animal+torture+muslim+festivals&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au&lr=lang_en

Well this is the real problem Dickie. Uninformed housewives like you,
who seem to want to rather bemother livestock, rather then accept
the realities of this world. That’s why we need informed people
to comment on the live trade, rather then hormonally challenged
extremists :)

Yes we do send them for slaughter. Yes people eat them, yes its part
of our history and part of their history. Why should putting sheep
on a truck for 8-10 hours be cruel? You should go and explore the
world a little. Plenty of trains out there, on long journey’s full of
people.

Fact is that on most farms, most sheep live free range, fairly natural
and happy lives. If some were not sold off, overpopulation would
soon lead to mass starvation and the slow death of most. Its not
a pretty sight, but then its nature, so its wonderful, according to you.

Right in your part of the world, wild dogs rip livestock to bits,
cause them much misery and terrible deaths, but that’s natural,
so clearly not an issue for you. Blind kangaroos, ravaged with
eye diseases, not an issue for you. But if a sheep on a boat has
pinkeye, it’s a disaster!

Your hatred for farming and farmers is all too clear, you bias
all too obvious.

Luckily Govts are smarter then taking seriously, some of the
claims of the veggie movement, whose hatred of farmers
and farming has become clearer and clearer.

Farmers are in the main, little people, trying to survive.
If Pale thinks that the live trade is shonky, she knows
nothing about the greedy meat processing industry!
They have made it clear, they are not a charity and will
buy their livestock as cheaply as possible. Given the
lack of competition in the meat industry, the best thing
that farmers can do, is put sheep on a boat and sail
right past them!

dickie,
"It is not your place to instruct me on how best to utilise my endeavours towards animal welfare"

I don't believe I was, I make no mention of your 'endeavors'. Can't you see past yourself? I just don't understand how animal liberator groups can be selective about the animals they defend, on parochial grounds. If it's not about ALL animals what is it about?

"I regret that you have fallen for the Industry Advocate's argument about the difference in the domestic and export prices."

I must have missed your alternative figures, could you present them again.

"What you fail to accept is the substantial net profits of this industry"

Absolutely, it's the net profits that are important.

"Can you advise of any other industry which receives such generous subsidies and tax breaks?"

The automotive industry. The bio-fuel industry. This one takes the cake:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/public-purse-props-up-fossil-fuel-industries/2007/05/07/1178390228019.html

But really, the $50 given by fed govt to the meat processing industry leaves the $2.2 million to live exports looking pretty measly. http://www.maff.gov.au/releases/04/04066wt.html

Rojo

The extra Money is made up between subs and tax cuts.

Eg. Aussies tries to buy a Abattoir and already has bulk of funds cash.

Asks for $500.00 through Government grants. - Knocked back.

Three weeks later Japan given -$40 Million of Australian tax payers money for ‘same plant”.
I call MLA and Live Coupe the dirty dozen.

Unlike the Australian Government overseas care about supplying work for their economy.

Wow there must be some REAL profit in value adding if the can pay so much more and still run at an enormous profit.?

Regardless NO amount is ok if trading in BARBARIC Cruelty.
I think you live in WA by the way.

Yabby said
if Pale thinks that the live trade is shonky, she knows
nothing about the greedy meat processing industry!

Pale Replies.

Yabby I have long debated you and I know you honestly don’t know what goes down re live exports.
I am going to post’ with consent” just one letter regarding working with Muslim and overseas.

I do agree with you about Animal Welfare Groups to a point.

We have LONG requested others work towards re opening plants in Australia.
The way to do that is to befriend State and Federal Ministers of Employment, Health Aboriginal Affairs and many more.

It is only by getting some of the other Ministers involved more Abattoirs Here will open and phase out the live exports.

If other groups DON’T start to get involved soon it WILL triple however they will NOT listen so I share your frustration.

We must actually do something more than show footage.

I KEEP asking them to work together with us on the ONLY alternative to Live Animal Exports.

In my opinion under the leadership of Glenyse Ogjes nothing will change. She simply refuses to work with us and this requires all Animal Welfare groups to get behind it.

The following few posts are fyi on what ALL of the groups SHOULD be working together with us on- But they refuse!

Actually they will not even reply!