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Sacked nurses a step too far in terms of free speech and comment
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Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 22 February 2025 11:17:03 AM
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mhaze,
Nathan, <<YOU started the thread about the nurses....>> And...? I mean there are many who start threads here, yourself included. The original topic was a specific and broad one. People such as yourself have turned the debate into one about public safety and these nurses (particularly for patients) and I have asked for an audit of industries (including healthcare) to weed out those with views that don't gel, so we don't face or have to deal with people who put out views, thoughts and feelings that don't resonate with certain people - just to be on the safe side. I mean we could have a health system crawling with antisemitic doctors, nurses and health professionals. I've asked for your views on an audit, no response, so I'll end that there. <<They made threats. Whether the threats were credible is not really the point.>> Well yes it is, or we can just ignore the threats and let them get on with their work as nurses. After all we have a shortfall of workers in the healthcare sector as pointed out by myself in the initial topic and post. <<If you go back a few days I proposed a scenario of a Uber driver... (which includes actions)>> Well then that only reinforces my call for an audit of industries to find out what people's thoughts, views and feelings are. It must be noted your scenario included actual actions, not feelings, thoughts, views, making the scenario though totally different. Someone saying something versus doing something are two different things. <<Apart from all the other reasons they ought to be separated from any chance to carry out the threats....>> There are lot of options there to make it all happen as they are a huge safety risk if we take you seriously, any suggestions? I mean they don't have to be nurses to undertake some of the things they've put out in words or maybe we accept their stupid comments were just that and move on? Posted by NathanJ, Saturday, 22 February 2025 11:20:20 AM
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"And...? I mean there are many who start threads here, yourself included."
But, but....you were complaining I was obsessed with talking about the nurses when the thread, your thread, was literally about the nurses. Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 22 February 2025 12:03:19 PM
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Hi AC,
I'd just point out that despite often having very different view of the world to you I'd never question your humanity. Nor would I think differently of the many posters on olo as I believe their underlying humanity to be their fundamental motivation as it is with you. What I get concerned by is people holding the belief that there are bad people in society and that it is possible, perhaps necessary, to weed them out. I think it the maelstrom of depravity that we all need to avoid. Those nurses are not in a pickle because of what they believe. They are in a pickle because of what they said they would do to patients in their care. That they were removed so quickly after making those comments is an endorsement of the status quo. Posted by Fester, Saturday, 22 February 2025 12:18:59 PM
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mhaze,
<<But, but....you were complaining I was obsessed with talking about the nurses when the thread, your thread, was literally about the nurses.>> No, and the post included the broader issue of free speech and related matters as per the post. So no. If I just wanted to focus on the two nurses, I could have written, "two nurses in the media recently, please comment" and finished there, but I didn't. We then have the comparison 'now' as part of an even broader debate of the potential of other, large numbers of antisemitic nurses, doctors and medical professionals out there in the system and the placement of views, emotions, positions and feelings some won't like that we don't even know about. We could find out what such views, feelings, emotions and positions of these individuals are and remove such people from the system by putting in place an audit - now part of this debate. I mean we have two nurses here, how many more with similar feelings, we don't know. To address a problem and come to a solution - we have to acknowledge we have a problem in the first place and realise it, not just focus on those (two mentioned here) who have spoken out, expressed a feeling or raised a position - and such discussion on others may come out later on in a debate. Posted by NathanJ, Saturday, 22 February 2025 1:32:55 PM
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Hi Fester,
"I'd just point out that despite often having very different view of the world to you I'd never question your humanity..." Thanks, I certainly wasn't expecting anyone to say anything nice to me today. "Nor would I think differently of the many posters on olo as I believe their underlying humanity to be their fundamental motivation as it is with you." - Maybe many here yourself included just don't see and understand the world in the same way that I've come to understand that it is. It's a shock to the system and a very hard thing to get ones head around that the world just isn't what we all think it to be. I've been here maybe since late Sep 2014, the war in Syria was well underway, the overthrow of the Ukrainian government and the Maidan had already happened, and I've been speaking out against sanctions and overthrows since then. I haven't really been wrong. I spoke out about USAID and the NED, when no-one ad even heard of them. I've shared policy papers and almost always provide some link to show that the things I say are not without merit. It sometimes feels like I'm fighting with others perception of the world, which isn't actually how the world is. I don't always get things right, but I know that I'm mostly on the right track. I've always promoted diplomacy, dialogue, negotiations and compromise over conflict, I give credit where credit is due but I also criticise when it's warranted, and I stand up for the rights of innocents, even when those innocents are Jews despite being labelled a Jew-hater. If I get upset from time to time, it's because maybe I've seen too much footage of horrible senseless things. I think for myself but I also get my info from many others who are all more knowledgeable on the topics covered. INTEL Roundtable w/ Johnson & McGovern : Weekly Wrap http://www.youtube.com/live/Uys-d85-iug Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 22 February 2025 2:42:12 PM
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I was responding to what Yuyutsu said about a cartoon image of Netanyau as a vampire, without context of what it was about.
You're the one who supports and defends the Israeli death cult.
You expect the event to be some kind of solemn moment where Israels victims hold a minutes silence for the Israeli dead.
Why should anyone pay any attention to Israels claims of victimood / self entitlement?
They only propagate lies, like mass rapes and babies in ovens that helped get this genocide started when they're guilty of the exact same thing they blame on their enemies.
Israel Drops GENOCIDAL Leaflets On Gaza: They're Not Even Hiding It
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhKLxWEGA70
You turn a blind eye to every red line the West 'claims' to hold as a pillar of our Western moral righteousness.
But then jump up and down like a screaming 4 year old when you perceive Israel's enemies as not meeting those same non-existant morals after being subject to mass slaughter.
You're pathetic, and it's not my fault you probably still have your knickers in a twist after I made you look and feel stupid yesterday, and you want to somehow win one back because you see everything as a competition.
And FYI, I'm not convinced Trump will stand by Israel.
He was opposed to Israels wars which I might add were little different in outcome as Adolf Hitler, overthrowing dozens of countries, costing the US taxpayer trillions and causing untold misery over a 30 year period... and then some, and he seems to be going after the Fed when he wants to check the gold reserves in Fort Knox.
He may be just biding his time, cleaning house first and looking to engineer the exit of Netanyahu.
The Israel lobby are too powerful to take on without a strategy.
http://x.com/badazn/status/1892702962419417598
http://x.com/pepedownunder/status/1892896378822807766
http://x.com/jorymicah/status/1893007403165024610
http://x.com/badazn/status/1892917640919732448
Why all the ownership in media?
They wish to control the narrative and peoples perception.
Now go back to your pro-neoconservatve claptrap and parrot some more bs, like the good little muppet you are.